Late Roman iron helmet

[Arthes]

Greetings,
truly fascinating....
I would say this is a cavalry officers 'custom job'
Yes, in Germany.....so a forerunner of the Anglian Sutton Hoo helm....without the face mask...[url:10b8ec3o]http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/compass/ixbin/goto?id=OBJ3920[/url]!!!
The Anglians were from Schlieswig/Hedeby area, Southern Denmark/North German borders and this is possibly one of theirs.
(expects avalance of javelins and plumbatae.....!!!!)
regards
Arthes

[Crispvs]

Constantine,

It's been sitting in a private collection since the early 1970s. Christie's site doesn't list its original provenance.

Crispvs

[Robert Vermaat]

The Anglians were from Schlieswig/Hedeby area, Southern Denmark/North German borders and this is possibly one of theirs.
(expects avalance of javelins and plumbatae.....!!!!)

Hi Arthes,
The origin of ridge helmets such as this one lies with Sassanid Persian helmets. Nothing like this from theperiod we're talking about has ever been found in the Ur-Anglian area. But sure, helmets like the Sutton Hoo may very well have been developed from such Late Roman ridge helmets.

[mcbishop]

Could you tell us in advance the way the neck-guard is attached to the bowl?

One external hinge, like each of the cheekpieces.

Mike Bishop

[Robert Vermaat]

Dear Mr Bishop,
If you can't (or aren't allowed to) post some pictures, would it be possible to send them to me?

[mcbishop]

Sorry everyone, but it appears that I'm not allowed to post them or pass them on. Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger...

Mike Bishop

[Conal]

What are the reasons for this, amy apologies ,peevish attitude ?

Is it one of those data protection things ?

Can you draw them & post ? :twisted: Can you "hire" me to draw them for you ? :roll: :wink:

[Sassanid]

Conal,

I doubt it would be breaking any rules if I were to tell you, you could try contacting Christie's to see if they can help.

Andrew

[Caballo]

Astonishing attitude to knowledge by them!! :roll:
But not your fault, Dr. Mike.

Will you be allowed to put details in your new book?

Alternatively, the helmet will be on display pre auction in New York. Is there a RAT member there with a digital camera? Or does someone have a friend in NY who could take some pics?

Or can the catalogue be obtained/ scanned?

Cheers

Britannicus

[tlclark]

Sorry everyone, but it appears that I'm not allowed to post them or pass them on. Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger...

Mike Bishop

Does England not have a "fair use" clause for intellectual property rights?

Most of the stuff in the Temple database is shot from books but we can reproduce them for students.

It gets iffy on the web, but we still do it for review web sites.

Does RAT not count as an 'educational institution'?

:wink:

[Tarbicus]

Does England not have a "fair use" clause for intellectual property rights?

In actual fact it's a very grey subject here, far more than the US. However, if the site is actually physically hosted in the Netherlands it may be different there.

I think one of the issues is copyright of the photographs, and the dangers of it being used out of context. Intellectual property rights and copyright infringement are a very hot subject these days, and a fairly rare instance of falling foul of them can be pretty nasty I believe. As the iron helmet people have stated clearly they do not wish the photos to be published here, I would suggest staying away for now, and perhaps sometime in the future they will be made available.

From [url:82jrhiur]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_Kingdom[/url]

British copyright law has a set of exceptions to copyright known as fair dealing. Database right also has a similar set of exceptions. Fair dealing is much more restricted than the American concept of fair use. It only applies in tightly defined situations, and outside of those situations it is no defence at all against charges of copyright or database right infringement.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_European_Union
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Copyright_Directive
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_copyright_law
www.swarb.co.uk/lawb/ipFairUse.shtml

[Conal]

Do I need to buy a catalogue or ask for pictures ?

[tlclark]

In actual fact it's a very grey subject here, far more than the US

Egad! In the UK it's worse! That's hard to imagine. We spent hours in committee debating whether we were going to allow materials shot from books or taken from the web put into the database. The solution was a firewall to all non-temple students, which is rubbish, since half the students here are non-matriculated students who don't get Student ID's and off-campus internet access that put them at a huge disadvantage.

So finally we just said, "eff'em" and we posted it on our own websites and made sure all or the database images were clearly labeled. This is essentially what I did for the musculata site.

This is why I everything I post that is mine is free to use, take or publish.

FYI - for architecture, for some dumb reason, the rules aren't as strict (except in Belgium where my prof actually got an angry letter for posting an image of the Horta House, that he shot himself from the street!)

He is currently try to create a compendium of world architecture.

Here's the Roman pages:

http://www.brynmawr.edu/Acads/Cities/wl ... 1.html#rom

We need to do the same thing for all roman images.

[Tarbicus]

Egad! In the UK it's worse! That's hard to imagine.

You think that's hard to imagine? - try checking out our libel laws; Reputed as being the strictest in the world, and you can be sued from the grave :? As for freedom of the press, well..... But that's all very OT.

Back to the new Roman Iron Helmet, it could of course be possible to make an illustration of it from descriptions and using the public photo as a general reference ..... :wink: They may own the photos, but they don't own somebody's mind.

[tlclark]

ack to the new Roman Iron Helmet, it could of course be possible to make an illustration of it from descriptions and using the public photo as a general reference ..... They may own the photos, but they don't own somebody's mind.

I volunteer!!

Send them to me!!

Travis