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Quote:Most colonies had unwilling citizens and hired mainland Greeks to fight.
So the fashions would be basically Greek.
But as I posted before-if it comes from a Skythian grave, it was owned by a Skythian. If not it could be owned by anyone and hoplites with "foreign" items would be an odity even in the colonial military formation.
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At least by the third century BC, the Bosporan citizens were serving in the military, and iconographic sources show a definite mixture of Greek arms and armour with Scythian style costume.
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Quote:http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/...s_2_AC.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... 6thBCE.jpg
The first link shows a Skythian with scale armour(in the middle)that looks like a combination of greek and skythian armour.The other is skythian leather scale armour.Sorry,sourse unknown.
Here are the sources:
Eurasian 6th century BC
Leather
L 27.75 inches
Published in Notable Acquisitions 1991-2002
Stuart W. Pyhrr, David J. La Rocca, and Morihiro Ogawa
Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York
Description (abridged):
Sleeveless, 56 rows of hard scales secured by rawhide laces to a soft leather lining. Laces for closure at side of chest and at small of back. Garment extended from shoulders to upper thigh. Not seen in photo is a subsidiary scaled skirt that is sewn to the leather lining at the bottom of the cuirass. This skirt would have spanned down to the knee. Presumed Scythian.
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The second is:
Comb with Battle Scene
Scythian/Greek Style 430-390 BC
Ukraine, Solokha Kurgan
The State Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg
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So if the first photo of bronze scales is 30 x 47cm total does that make the individual scales something like 33mm tall x 12mm wide? Zowie...I hadn't realized that these were so small! Any idea how thick the scales are?
Thanks again for posting that example!
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Quote:So if the first photo of bronze scales is 30 x 47cm total does that make the individual scales something like 33mm tall x 12mm wide? Zowie...I hadn't realized that these were so small! Any idea how thick the scales are?
Thanks again for posting that example!
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That's all the info I can find. Here's some more scales.
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That's actually not all that small for scales. IIRC some large segments of iron scales from Persepolis were 15 by 10 mm or so. I pity the poor workers who had to punch and stitch them, though!
Does anyone know what the oblong scales with many holes are for?
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Oh I know there are examples of teeny tiny scales. It boggles the mind! It just that when I saw that photo, in my mind I saw the scales as much larger, imagining that whole piece comprised the majority of the front of a corselet. Hehe...when looking at scales, one must have a sense of scale!
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The Leather Scythian armour that has a picture link posted is described as 'scythian' and is held at the Met in New York. After correspondence with the cuirator and the head of the arms and armour section they are unsure of wether it was scythian or not as the armour has no provenance. I feel there is almost no chance that leather armour would survive in as good a condition as this peice for the 2500 years that it is surposed to be. Quote:thank you for your inquiry, which has been forwarded to me in the Department of
Arms & Armor.
The Eurasian scale armor, which may or may not be Scythian, has been briefly
published twice by my colleague:
Donald LaRocca, in: 'Recent Acquisitions: A Selection 1999-2000', Metropolitan
Museum of Art Bulletin, Vol. 58, no. 2, Fall 2000, pp. 14-15 (ill.)
Donald LaRocca, 'Scale Armor' in: Arms and Armor - Notable Acquisitions
1991-2002 (Exhibition Catalogue: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York,
2002), New York 2002, cat.no. 38, pp. 42-43 (ill.)
The provenance of this piece is not recorded, and our research so far has
unfortunately been unable to yield any further information.
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Thanks for the info, Jason.
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Yes, thanks, Jason! I had seen it at the Met site before but lost track of it.
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