Genuine? Gladius & Spatha on the internet!

[Razor]

Yes, you are talking, indeed, about the Budapest reconstructed helm.

It has also been suspicious that Christie's didn't allow nobody to publicly examinate that helmet, forbiding to publicate any other image of it... at least, as far as I know (correct me please if I'm wrong).

wow cool helmet! Do you have a larger image of that one, Ivan? I've never seen that helmet before... 8)

[Virilis]

Salve Faventianus!

The Berkasovo 1 helmets nasal quard is quite flat from looking from the side (sorry I can`t attach images to prove opinions right now, I am still fightin with the "imageshack" :evil: ....). It might have had a more pronounced central ridge in it`s original condition.

My point is again that the Christie´s helmets nasal quard looks suspiciously like the HYPOTHETICAL reconstructed nasal quard of, for example, the Budapest helmet. Perhaps this is too much nit-picking from my side :lol: ....

By the way, are there pictures anywhere of the sassanian ridge helmet ("the mother of all late roman helmets" :wink: ) which was found from the tunnel under the collapsed tower in Dura Europos? I mean other than the drawings by Simon James and Karen Dixon?

Regards,

[aitor iriarte]

One pic of the Budapest helmet before it underwent its last restoration



and... how can you say that the Berkasovo 1 nasal is flat?!!! hock:




Aitor

[Virilis]

Ok, point taken !

Berkasovo 1 helmets nasal quard is not totally flat, admitted. It might even had a more pronounced angular central ridge in it´s original condition, when the iron basis of the nasal quard was there...

Are there any information about the Budapest helmet and the reconstruction of it´s missing parts? On what basis were they made?
Same goes with the so called Berkasovo 2 helmet ("The Late Roman Army" by Southern & Dixon, pl. 7)

regards,

[aitor iriarte]

Jyrki,
The Berkasovo helmets still have the iron core inside (Perhaps a little bit swollen by rust? Unfortunately I haven't been able to examine them by myself) It is the Deurne (and now the Heteny one) the one with its nucleus corroded away in the acidic peat bog.
I've examined the Budapest helmet by myself and the reconstruction of its missing parts is basically OK. Of course, we'll never know for sure whether the nasal was flat or not! :wink:

Aitor

[Virilis]

Thanks Aitor,

You have actually kept in your hands a genuine remains of a late roman helmet, wow hock: ! I just received pictures of the Concesti helmet and it seems that the cheekpieces were attached with hinges, as (if I remember correctly?) you have previously claimed.

I am definitely not the one to throw the first stone when it comes to reconstructions! I am reconstructing a "Burgh Castle" style helmet from parts provided by Joe Piela of Thelonelymountainforge. It seems to be the most common late roman helmet with a nasal quard among the re-enactors. The paradox is that the remains of that helmet are very sparse, only parts remain!

I will not add those three rivets at the tip of the nasal quard of my helmet, in my opinion their function was to hold that silvered/gilded upper layer in place.

In fact, are there any evidence of plain iron late roman helmets with nasal quards?

Regards,

[Peroni]

The scabbard/locket plate pictured above is very much like the Valkenberg locket, especially the L-shaped piercings.

Peroni

[aitor iriarte]

You're welcome, Jyrki!
You are probably right about the three rivets on the nasal but if you look at the Berkasovo 1 helmet you will notice that the only 'functionless' rivets (i.e. not intended for joining components together) on it are precisely those at the nasal (i.e. they would be more necessary on the big flat surfaces of the bowl, wich are, moreover, pierced and overloaded with the glass fake stones and their leaden mounts. There aren't any of them at those spots, though) and perhaps they fulfiled some decorative purpose too... :?
Plain helmets with nasals? Of course, Deir-El Medineh and the Christie's one...

Aitor

[FAVENTIANVS]

Yes, you are talking, indeed, about the Budapest reconstructed helm.

It has also been suspicious that Christie's didn't allow nobody to publicly examinate that helmet, forbiding to publicate any other image of it... at least, as far as I know (correct me please if I'm wrong).

wow cool helmet! Do you have a larger image of that one, Ivan? I've never seen that helmet before... 8)

Here it comes, Razor: http://geocities.com/ivarmaelstrom/Chri ... e-helm.jpg

Salue Virilis! Our comlito Sassanid as pics of the reconstructed Sassanid Helmet from the Dura Europos mine.

[Arthes]

Greetings,
that nasal looks rather flat or pushed in, or are the cheek guards set fairly far forward?
What is the ruddy glow on the metal, it gives me the impression of ochre based paint.
regards
Arthes

[Robert Vermaat]

that nasal looks rather flat or pushed in, or are the cheek guards set fairly far forward?

Well, the cheek guards are fairly large.

[FAVENTIANVS]

Now everybody has a late shield on its signature!! :evil: :wink: D D

[Robert Vermaat]

Now everybody has a late shield on its signature!! :evil: :wink: D D

Well, who started it? :evil:

[FAVENTIANVS]

:oops:

[markusaurelius]

Hello Everyone,


Just had my account reactivated. Its been a while since I've posted on here, but I thought I would weigh in on this one.

Virilis Finlandicus, thanks for finding my site and opening a discussion on it.

Yes the website was designed and made by me for my items. My first website, and it took a long time to get it right!

Crispvs: The picture that you pointed out that was posted on RAT a few years ago was actually posted by me. So the one on my website is NOT a fake, but just another higher resolution picture of the same item as you later quessed.

I originally posted that picture to get peoples feedback on the era that it was from. An interesting discussion at the time.

I wish I had archeological reports on those items, but as it states most unfortinately don't.

Any feedback or comments or questions on my site would be greatly appreciated!