Imperial Gallic G 4 (Mainz)

[jvrjenivs]

330 B.C. would indeed be a funny dating for this helmet, but I think it's hard to translate the dating wrong (unless the dating is done in another dating system)

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

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Only the dating is a bit funny if I am translating and understanding the German way of dating correctly,
it says 330 B.C. :?: :o shock: :roll:

Ahhhh, great, Finally! lol: :lol:

[Crispvs]

Stylistically I would have thought that the helmet was late first century BC to early first century AD, but then who am I to argue against such a date as '330BC' :wink:

Crispvs

[jho]

He even send me a word doc, with a little more information and a photo, which I am allowed to share here on this forum...

Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the doc and pic or could you publish them here?

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Stylistically I would have thought that the helmet was late first century BC to early first century AD, but then who am I to argue against such a date as '330BC' :wink:

Crispvs

That was my opinion too....... :lol:

[Folkert van Wijk]

He even send me a word doc, with a little more information and a photo, which I am allowed to share here on this forum...

Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the doc and pic or could you publish them here?

Yes of course, now let's see if I can attache a word doc...

[jvrjenivs]

That sheet indeed tells us its from between 350 and 310 (with 330 as estimate) BC. Strange dating.

[caiusbeerquitius]

There must be something mixed up. This is not a chalcidian helmet. The collection in Schaffhausen has several helmets, this is most probably a mistake.

[Paullus Scipio]

I too am incredulous as to the dating, even if the Helmet is Celtic, and would guess at no earlier than 1st C BC....is there any information on where and how it was found?

[jho]

Folkert,

Thank you and laus for posting this.

I strongly support the view that the helmet most likely dates from the 1st century BC/AD. It appears to be of the Weisenau/Guttmann type and within that group would appear to date rather early in view of the decoration of the lower rim which appears to be similar to the decoration of certain Montefortino and Mannheim helmets.

I do not believe that the accompanying information is mixed up. The factual information appears to fit the helmet (strong Celtic influence etc.). The helmet is from a private collection ("Sammlung Kofler") and apparently unprovenanced ("Southern Italy") and was therefore simply dated on stylistical grounds. Such datings are often far off.

It is a pity that all Weisenau/Guttmann helmets appear to come from private collections without proper context dating (the Guttmann helmets, the Carnuntum helmet, the Frankfurt helmet). But they are very similar to dated Celtic/Germanic helmets (Kessel/Lith, Pologne, Reka, Thür/Germany and also the several Agen type helmets) and therefore can at least hoped to be genuine.