3rd century belt

[PhilusEstilius]

Adrian. I wonder if the hinge tube you mention could maybe have the same kind of function as the belt you show on page 1 of the other discussion, to hold some sort of pendant and not indeed a buckle.

[caiusbeerquitius]

Jef, you should define closer which time in the 3rd century you want to display. While the belts adrian posted are more prominent at the beginning, towards the middle of the century the ring and frame buckles seem to be more prominent...

[Marcus Mummius]

Well, I'm the first to admit that I'm no expert on the 3rd century. I may have been trained as an archaeologist, but those of you that are archaeologists will know that does not imply detailed knowledge of all time periods

Besides I specialised in prehistory, Neandertals to be more precise. :lol:

I already have some stuff for this impression and perhaps I can sum this up and those who know more of this period can help me to pick the best belt?

I already have or will very soon have into my hands:

-Buch helmet
-Saalburg boots (the ones with the laces integral with the uppers)
-Squamata
-Hasta
-Dished oval shield
-an off white tunic with red decoration based on the finds from dura europos (one of the patterns one of the three Dura soldiers in Graham's Military clothing II book is wearing
-trousers
-greaves (kunzing type)

-One of the remodelled deepeeka spathae. It was modified for me by Adrian from whom I bought it. The unmodified scabbard looks like this:



Adrian tinned the brass parts for me (it seems to me that a vast amount of cupric alloy finds from the 3rd century AD have tinning), added a throat plate and sinew on the scabbard slide.

This is a picture of the top of the scabbard as it looks now:



I read that the round chapes with engraving sometimes had niello decoration. Would niello be a good idea on this chape, or would it be wrong? Also, should I replace the handle on the sword?

Okay, I think that's it

I appreciate all the help!

vale,

[caiusbeerquitius]

The disc chapes with niello decoration are usually from iron, and most of them are far thinner than the deepeeka version, which is based on an example from Köln. The binding around the scabbard slide should only go along with slides that don´t have rivets on the lower side, so shouldn´t be present on your scabbard. The deepeeka scabbard is too wide on the lower end. I modified one for a friend by taking off all the parts and the leather, tapering it, and sewing it together again with new leather after having riveted the slide on again. Try a nice bone chape, I´d say. You can easily make it yourself. See Miks, table 261-268
Nice mouthpiece! What find is it based on?

[Marcus Mummius]

Do you perhaps have a picture of the scabbard you modified?

And what about the belt type ?

You say the nielloed chapes are usually iron, so there are some nielloed cupric alloy chapes known?

The binding was done after seeing a lot of scabbards with this slide type that were bound to reenactors scabbards. So not a good thing to base it on. I like the extra security, though so I think I'll keep the binding, for now. I wouldn't want to loose the scabbard during manoevres...

I'll look in my copy of Miks when I can. Will be a while though. I don't like working with bone though lol:

[Aurelianus]

finding of Augst / CH

silver with niello
d = 8.9 cm


http://www.kgv.bl.ch/index.php?id=3&tx_ ... 45de294eb7

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[Aurelianus]

finding of
Hofstett a. St. bei Geislingen, Kr. Göppingen / DE

iron, brass-inlay.
d = 7,2 cm



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[Aurelianus]

and its reproduction from Erik König






http://www.replik-online.de/index.html

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[Aurelianus]

two further Dosenortbänder





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[Marcus Mummius]

Thanks for posting those pictures, Patrick, they are very helpfull.

[Aurelianus]

........... which is based on an example from Köln......

Hi Christian

I'm very interested in the Dosenortband from Köln! Could you please post some pictures and measurements (diameter, thickness)?

........... I modified one for a friend by taking off all the parts and the leather, tapering it, and sewing it together again with new leather after having riveted the slide on again. Try a nice bone chape, I´d say. You can easily make it yourself. See Miks, table 261-268

Could you please post some pictures of your work?

Thank you very much for your help!

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[caiusbeerquitius]

Here´s the Köln piece, from
C. Miks, Studien zur römischen Schwertbewaffnung in der Kaiserzeit, Rahden/ Westf., (Kölner Studien zur Archäologie der Römischen Provinzen ; 8) , Zugl.: Köln, Univ., Diss., 2004.
plate 253
# B146,22

I can´t give you a pic of the scabbard, sorry, it´s 150 km away...