05-13-2012, 04:13 PM
Byron wrote:
When you say Sagum, do you mean the hooded paenula cloak, or the square cloak you see folded on a centurions shoulder?
I have seen sagums in a wide variety of colour, which is the reason I ask.
The sagum is not square but more letter envelope shaped and is brooched on the right shoulder. The paenula is the paenula a hooded cloak and the cloak draped over the centurion's left shoulder is a paludamentum, also not square. Byron you should be made to stay on an oil rig in the North Sea for six months with only a copy of 'Roman Military Dress' to read as punishment! :grin:
To confuse things there are other cloaks with other names which are very similar to all of those above. We may not be able to tell the difference and probably Romans could not either, they just liked to cause problems for re-enactors 2000 years in the future! :-D
Byron. When you say you have seen sagums in a wide variety of colours do you mean you have seen a variety of re-constructions or a variety of original sources? Your Paenula (lower picture) does look good though and a decent colour!
Matt wrote:
I know traditionally people usually use brown sagums, is there a particular source of why they should be brown. Would other colors (like brick red) be acceptable?
Hi Matt. I put all the colour evidence for tunics, cloaks and anything else I could find in 'Roman Military Dress'.
Graham.
When you say Sagum, do you mean the hooded paenula cloak, or the square cloak you see folded on a centurions shoulder?
I have seen sagums in a wide variety of colour, which is the reason I ask.
The sagum is not square but more letter envelope shaped and is brooched on the right shoulder. The paenula is the paenula a hooded cloak and the cloak draped over the centurion's left shoulder is a paludamentum, also not square. Byron you should be made to stay on an oil rig in the North Sea for six months with only a copy of 'Roman Military Dress' to read as punishment! :grin:
To confuse things there are other cloaks with other names which are very similar to all of those above. We may not be able to tell the difference and probably Romans could not either, they just liked to cause problems for re-enactors 2000 years in the future! :-D
Byron. When you say you have seen sagums in a wide variety of colours do you mean you have seen a variety of re-constructions or a variety of original sources? Your Paenula (lower picture) does look good though and a decent colour!
Matt wrote:
I know traditionally people usually use brown sagums, is there a particular source of why they should be brown. Would other colors (like brick red) be acceptable?
Hi Matt. I put all the colour evidence for tunics, cloaks and anything else I could find in 'Roman Military Dress'.
Graham.
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"Every brush-stroke is torn from my body" The Rebel, Tony Hancock.
"..I sweated in that damn dirty armor....TWENTY YEARS!', Charlton Heston, The Warlord.
