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OK! So what are we looking at? A building on the sw corner. A white roofed bus in the street on the N east side. a car leaving the car park on the SE side?
Tell us more! 8)
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Quote:OK! So what are we looking at?
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This is the SEAL headquarters complex in San Diego
LoL TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Indeed i was talking about the US Army AIr Force Paulus!!
Thanx for noticing!!
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Damn! I looked in the wrong direction! Now that does have sinister undertones.....  hock:
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Oops...thanks, Paul. I've never seen that designation before and assummed it was a typo.
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There are those out there who, recognising the swastika as an ancient symbol, make the reasons for its vilification even more elaborate:
http://www.sabbatarian.com/Paganism/HolyRomanCross.html
That webpage says the following, which might explain the SEAL building:
'Historians say the Swastika could have represented a real structure and that in ancient times forts were built for defense reasons in a shape closely resembling the Swastika. Perhaps for its protective power this shape began to be sanctified.'
It's also worth checking out Wiki on the swastika. Before you read it bear in mind that there is no such thing as "black and white" in law, otherwise there would be no need for judges. It would all depend on the personality of the prosecutor and Police whether they decide to arrest or prosecute, or if it was a scholarly activity and therefore allowed. Generally when in doubt, they probably arrest or prosecute and let the courts decide. Don't assume that, because you think you're being a scholar, others don't think you've just got an expensive hobby and you need to be a proper academic for the hobby to be scholarly. I know I wouldn't chance it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#T ... _countries
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The relevant excerpt[44] of the German criminal code reads:
§ 86 StGB Dissemination of Means of Propaganda of Unconstitutional Organizations
(1) Whoever domestically disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination domestically or abroad, means of propaganda:
1. of a party which has been declared to be unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a party; […]
4. means of propaganda, the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. […]
(3) Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes. […]
§ 86a StGB Use of Symbols of Unconstitutional Organizations
(1) Whoever:
1. domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writings (§ 11 subsection (3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organizations indicated in § 86 subsection (1), nos. 1, 2 and 4; or
2. produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use domestically or abroad, in the manner indicated in number 1,
shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.
(2) Symbols, within the meaning of subsection (1), shall be, in particular, flags, insignia, uniforms, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in sentence 1 shall be deemed to be equivalent thereto. […]
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Yeah great. Now you tell me what constitutes propaganda in the eyes of the powers-that-be. Model kit decals? Are they propaganda? They're removed from the boxes before sale though. The swastika is a political emblem to 99% of Europe, therefore possibly propagandistic, intended or not. Easy for a non-German to interpret and say it's safe to display, not so easy for a German.
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So they remove the decals out of the boxes? hock:
sorry but that is a bit :roll:
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yes, or they put black and white crosses on them, or squares in black and white
BTW Tarbi i dont disagree with you at all.
indeed the swastika is a VERY sensitive item in mainland Europe (seen enough of them around in Britain during re-enactments)
However the tendency to ban is gradually shifting, but not in Germany as of yet... however several re-enactments of Wehrmacht including the swastika on the uniform have taken place there already.
every re-enactor is however GUARDING vehemently that NO flags or arm bands are worn or displayed.
so it is in a way up to the law-official on the spot. same goes for deact weapons during re-enactments or even blank-firing ones...
any live firing weapon wil generally be immediately impounded if found.
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H.J.Vrielink wrote ---
"any live firing weapon wil generally be immediately impounded if found."
Now that would be a good idea! :lol: :lol:
After the fiasco in Brazil, it just emphasises the need for no real arms for re-enactment. Display maybe----swords that will not be worn, but firearms should be de-activated, or proper blank firer's maybe?
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Quote:or proper blank firer's maybe?
Which reminds me of a story of a National Service squaddie whose head was virtually blown off by a blank firing smg during training.
Quote:so it is in a way up to the law-official on the spot.
Yup. And that's where one of the real questions lies. If they had a bad day...
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Well, there was a chap not too long ago, who had his eye taken out with a spear...or at least was badly injured, never did hear much more....any one know!
Still, look at this months skirmish, the article about the tank place in Devon! Those explosions look pretty realistic!! hock:
goes for a good show! But how far do we go in wrapping society in cotton wool?
It is a weird and strange image of michelin men and women! hock: hock: hock: hock:
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I talked about this subject with some SCA folks here in America; the SCA people where quite upset I suggested wearing a swastika to one of their events; they are always worried about their public image. This is what I expected to hear from the SCA their ideals are vary politically correct.
On the other hand I go to timeline reenactments with WWII German soldiers there all the time and I have never seen them attacked for what they do; they may get questions but never attacked.
Basically when it comes to the swastika you have to know your audience.
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