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3rd-4th c roman shoes (Cuijk campagi images)
#16
Hobnailed or not, Aitor?

Vale,
TITVS/Daniele Sabatini

... Tu modo nascenti puero, quo ferrea primum
desinet ac toto surget Gens Aurea mundo,
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Vergilius, Bucolicae, ecloga IV, 4-10
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#17
Thanks, Daniele Big Grin
Campagi weren't hobnailed. In fact, they are flimsy shoes, useful for cavalrymen but not so for infantrymen.
Notwithstanding, the similar shoes depicted at the Venice's Tetrarchs seem to have an attached outer sole and, therefore, could be hobnailed :?

Aitor
It\'s all an accident, an accident of hands. Mine, others, all without mind, from one extreme to another, but neither works nor will ever.

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#18
If the Venice's Tetrarchs campagi could have hobnails (and if those outer soles were not for looking taller...), could they be also assumed like campaign (and so battle) shoes for a first line tribunus/comes? Or better, if you were a early-mid IV century high officer would you have used such kind of shoes in battle (on summertime)?

Vale,
TITVS/Daniele Sabatini

... Tu modo nascenti puero, quo ferrea primum
desinet ac toto surget Gens Aurea mundo,
casta faue Lucina; tuus iam regnat Apollo ...


Vergilius, Bucolicae, ecloga IV, 4-10
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#19
All military depicted on the Piazza Armerina Great Hunt and all the officers on the Luxor wall-paintings are wearing flimsy non-soled campagi.
Up-till-now, all the actual campagi recovered (Vindolanda, Deurne, Cuijk) hd no out-sole.
And thaat is as far as we reach... :?

Aitor
It\'s all an accident, an accident of hands. Mine, others, all without mind, from one extreme to another, but neither works nor will ever.

Rolf Steiner
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#20
Quote:Up-till-now, all the actual campagi recovered (Vindolanda, Deurne, Cuijk) hd no out-sole.

The campagi from Cuijk, originals and replicas reconstructed by Olaf Goubitz:

Original 1:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/leer02.jpg

Original 2:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/leer004.jpg

Original 3:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/leer03.jpg
Replica 3:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/DSC04102%20(new%20version ).jpg
Replica and original:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/leer005.jpg

Another replica:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/DSC04105%20(new%20version ).jpg

As shown in the museum of Cuijk:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/replicaschoen.jpg

The manufacturing process:

v.d. Graaf chooses a leather skin:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/leerlooierij%20007.jpg

several models:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/schoenmodellen.jpg
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/schoenmodellen%20005.jpg

Website (in Dutch only): http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/schoenen.html
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#21
Great shoes but... Are there any examples of more sturdy late roman military boots, I mean I would like all the goths to hear from a distance that there is at least one very pissed off late roman left marching towards them... Seriously, any examples of heavier shoes?
Virilis / Jyrki Halme
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#22
Unfortunately not, Jyrki Sad
There are a pair of hobnailed shoes (Low ones, not boots) from York, but I have only seen a couple of not very useful drawings from them :?

Aitor
It\'s all an accident, an accident of hands. Mine, others, all without mind, from one extreme to another, but neither works nor will ever.

Rolf Steiner
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#23
That´s strange, Aitor! There must have been some more heavy-duty shoes for more rugged terrains, I`m sure. Anyway we must stick with the evidence we have right now :wink: ...
Virilis / Jyrki Halme
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#24
Aitor, did you see the pictures before?
Robert Vermaat
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#25
Would it be feasible to make this pattern with an external sole, then hobnail them?
"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."


a.k.a. Paul M.
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#26
Robert,

Which pictures are you referring to? If you mean the ones you've posted I say: 'Only a pair of them' The shoe with open-work upper reminds me of the Damendorf shoes.

Paul,
Probably you would get something like the Tetrarch's shoes at Venice:
[Image: DSCN0936copia.jpg]
[Image: F1000004copia.jpg]
I advise you to start from a symmetric campagus, like the one reconstructed from Cuijk :wink:

Aitor
It\'s all an accident, an accident of hands. Mine, others, all without mind, from one extreme to another, but neither works nor will ever.

Rolf Steiner
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#27
More images of the Cuijk campagi:

[Image: cvdrielschoen.jpg]

[Image: cvdrielopenschoen.jpg]

[Image: cvandrielafval.jpg]
Robert Vermaat
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THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
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#28
And more images of Cuijk campagi:

[Image: cvandriel1.jpg]

[Image: cvandriel2.jpg]

[Image: cvandriel3.jpg]
Robert Vermaat
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THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
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#29
A third allotment of the Cuijk campagi:

[Image: cvandriel4.jpg]

[Image: cvandrielteenslipper.jpg]

[Image: cvandrielteenslipper1.jpg]
Robert Vermaat
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THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
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#30
Three more images of the original finds from 2005:

Child's shoe:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/kinderzool.jpg

Richly decorated shoe:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/schoen%202(new%20version ).jpg

Detail:
http://www.mergorinmosam.nl/schoen1(new%20version ).jpg
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