Romans + Christianity

[Restitvtvs]

Subject: Jesus Christ, the Good Shepherd
Period: Roman
Date: 3rd Century
Media: Fresco
Object: N/A
Provenance: Italy, Rome area, Catacomb ((Which?)
Name: ???

Website source unrecorded, and forgotten.

I appreciate help to more accurately describe this fresco. Pax vobiscvm, +r

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[Restitvtvs]

I've reached RAT 1 Mb storage limit for images, so I'll start putting images on image storage websites and linking to them from RAT posts.

More work... (Moan, groan, stretch, scratch, yawn, slump, snore...)

Good prayers appreciated! +r

[Salvianus]

Many thanks, William

this is becoming quite an archive!

[Carlton Bach]

I've reached RAT 1 Mb storage limit for images, so I'll start putting images on image storage websites and linking to them from RAT posts.

More work... (Moan, groan, stretch, scratch, yawn, slump, snore...)

Good prayers appreciated! +r

Do you take heathen ones? 8)

Seriously, thanks a lot for the hard work. These pictures are very useful for many of us, and quite beautiful.

[Restitvtvs]

Thank you, Steven & Volker, for your comments and more.

I now have >3,000 Roman images downloaded during the past nine years. D D Wish I had more time to record more image details during the first eight years. (Since images may only be available on the internet for only a few days to a few months, I quickly downloaded them & then returned to family, work & dissertation. )

I do new web searches for each image before posting them here, hoping to find the original source & object information, or even better, a newer & better image of the same object. Not always so lucky.

About 1,000 of these Roman images are >600 pixels wide shock: . When I get enough free time :? )

Thanks again. Best regards, +r

[Robert Vermaat]

About 1,000 of these Roman images are >600 pixels wide shock: .

Hi William,

To post them you can easily them smaller or 'lighter', can't you? I mean, an image say 500pixels wide (300 or so high?) need not be 'heavier' than 60 to 80 kB.
I use Photoshop or Microsoft Office Publisher for the fast stuff.

[Cornelius Quintus]

About 1,000 of these Roman images are >600 pixels wide shock: . When I get enough free time :? )

Ave William,

thanks for your great job! That's the kind of illustrations I'm always looking for.

So don't hesitate to share some more thousands of them with us :wink:

Or please just give a hint. Which keywords and search engines do you prefer to find them? Your research is very successful!

[Restitvtvs]

To post them you can easily them smaller or 'lighter', can't you? I mean, an image say 500pixels wide (300 or so high?) need not be 'heavier' than 60 to 80 kB.
I use Photoshop or Microsoft Office Publisher for the fast stuff.

Hi, Robert: Yes, I could. Ohhhhhh, but the pain & agony of downgrading and downgraded images... )

I'll keep plodding along to post wallpaper sized images when possible.

I could set up a rotating exhibit, keep each image up for a month or two, post notices when images rotate, etc.

More in next post.

[Restitvtvs]

Ave William,

thanks for your great job! That's the kind of illustrations I'm always looking for.

So don't hesitate to share some more thousands of them with us :wink:

Or please just give a hint. Which keywords and search engines do you prefer to find them? Your research is very successful!

Ave Heiko: My pleasure. So much more to come, given enough time.

Excellent! I use Google Image, which so far works best for me. I use English, German, Spanish, and Italian keywords that I know, and online foreign language dictionaries to get keywords that I don't know, and in other languages. Languages that do not use Roman letters/characters are much more time-consuming, time being too fleeting & precious. However, many websites in these languages include some keywords in languages that do use Roman letters/characters.

The biggest drawback is that many images are available on the internet for only a few days to a few months or years. I has taken me nine years to collect 3,000+ images so far, but my searches were sporadic (when I had time), and I'm sure that I missed many. Nevertheless, with enough time and persistence, you can get a good collection.

Yes, I'll be glad to compile and post a multi-lingual keyword list here in a few weeks. (Of course, it will be incomplete, but better than nothing.)

I'll also continue posting the better Roman image website links in several RAT threads, as I rediscover them.

[tlclark]

Mosaic of Jesus, oldest in Rome, dated to about 390 AD. In apse of Santa Pudenziana church (titular church, and national church of the Philippines), which built about 390 AD on the site of small, ~250 year old church.

You may download a larger, newer image at: [url:39tzprzx]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Apsis_mosaic%2C_Santa_Pudenziana%2C_Rome.JPG[/url]

More information on the church & mosaic: [url:39tzprzx]http://romanchurches.wikia.com/wiki/Santa_Pudenziana[/url] and [url:39tzprzx]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Pudenziana[/url]

Only portions of the original remain, most are later restorations. The mosaic itself postdates the sack of Alaric and there is some indication it is a donation for the church be spared.

Travis

[tlclark]

Subject: Jesus Christ, reading a scroll (maybe the "Book of Life")?
Period: Roman
Date: 3rd Century?
Media: Fresco
Object: N/A
Provenance: Italy, Rome area, Catacomb ((Which?)
Name: ???

Website source unrecorded, long forgotten.

I appreciate help to more accurately describe this artwork. Pax vobiscvm, +r

Not likely an image of Christ at this early date, if the date is correct. More likely a philosopher's portrait. In the early christian context it represents the Holy wisdom or possibly one of the evangelists.

Travis

[Restitvtvs]

Travis: Thanks again. More laudes coming your way.

Btw... Dude, what happened to your hair?!? :lol:

Take care, +r

[tlclark]

Travis: Thanks again. More laudes coming your way.

Btw... Dude, what happened to your hair?!? :lol:

Take care, +r

Oh I washed it and now I can't do a thing with it (except turn people to stone!)

Seriously, if you are interested in the stuff I highly recommend Thomas Mathews "Clash of the Gods" a new total reappraisal of early Christian iconography.

Travis

[Restitvtvs]

Travis: Thx for book recommendation.

Good number of others agree. I read Amazon.com reviews a few weeks ago, which looked good overall.

Your recommendation finally tipped the scale, so I've put it on my "maybe this year" list.

Thx again. +r

[tlclark]

The only thing I would advise is that Mathews has a chip on his shoulder and takes it upon himself to take down Andre Grabar, Ernst Kitzinger and a few others.

That doesn't change the fact that Mathews is brilliant, but he erects several straw men against Kitzinger and others and they are all dead and can't defend themselves.

Jas Elsner's "Art and the Roman Viewer" is also good but tendentious.