Victory and defeat Roman soldiers

[SAJID]

Hi to all,

                         How many times got victory and defeat roman soldiers who fight others army? 

                          I means ask total war against other army. Please help this topic and thanks in advance.



with best regards-Sajid

[CaesarAugustus]

Not sure to understand the question...

[Crispianus]

Not sure to understand the question...

What I think Sajid means is "How many times did Roman Armies win or Lose"... no idea but I guess a lot either way... my impression is that Romans lost a lot maybe more then they won... but were excellent at recovery, but thats just an impression...

[SAJID]

 Hi to all,
                  Yes, dear Crispianus you are right  "How many times did Roman Armies win or Lose"[url=https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/member.php?action=profile&uid=3479][/url]
                   Please tell total number and thanks to understand my question.



with best regards-Sajid

[Hanny]

Roughly a 70% win rate, you might do better to look at periods, say Republic or Empire as there is some difference, or even Punic wars etc.

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find a book on the period, like this one with 170 odd battles and some good data as well as some best guesses, and calculate to your hearts content.

Spartan military achievemnts in the 4th century.

Wins
494 Sepiea 25 5000 4000 6000
480 Thermopolea 1 100 2700 1300 8000
480 Thermopolea 2 100 2800 1250 8000
480 Thermopolea 3 150 2650 550 7000
480 Thermopolea 4 50 2600 300 8000
479 Platea Moleis 250 6500 2500 22000
470 Tegea 100 5000 400 5000
464 Dipaea 40 2000 300 4000
457 Tanagra 1000 11500 2500 14000
423 Lynsestis 20 3000 400 1750
418 Mantinea 400 9100 1100 8000
403 Porus 50 1500 100 1000
403 Halea Marsh 100 7500 180 3000

Totals:
Spartan/Allies
strength 53850
Spartan/Allies
losses 2385

Openents
Strength 99750
losses 16300

Winning: Generaly outnumbered c2:1
number of spartans to effect a kill 3
number of Openents to effect a kill 42

Odd of staying alive while winning;
spartan 1 in 23
openents 1 in 6

Comments, in winning the spartan side is four times likly to survive, and 14 times more effeiecent at inflicting a casualty.


losses
480 Thermopolea5 950 1200 1000 7000
465 Stynlekares 300 300 30 600
461 Oeneo 150 2000 100 4000
425 Spaceteria 128 420 0 1000
424 Cytherea 100 1000 60 2000
424 Cotyra 20 300 10 1000
412 Panormus 80 500 20 800
411 Athens1 30 600 0 300
411 Cyzicus 15 750 50 300
409 Ta Kerata 470 2200 50 1000
407 Garium 250 1250 50 2500

Totals:
Spartan/Allies
strength 6190
losses 2493
Openents 20500
losses 1640


Losing: Generaly outnumbered c3:1
number of spartans to effect a kill 4
number of Openents to effect a kill 8

Odd of staying alive while Loseing:
spartan 1 in 2.5
openents 1 in 12

Comments, when loseing the spartan side is 5 times more likly to survive and twice as likly to inflict a casualty.

Combined totals
Spartan/Allies
strength 60140
losses 4978
Openents 120500
losses 17940

Spartan/Allies: 3 spartans to effect a kill, odd of staying alive in doing so: 1 in 12
All comers: 24 to effect a kill, odds of odd of staying alive in doing so: 1 in 6.

Comment, overal the spartan side is 8 times more likly to inflict a casualty, and twice as likly to survive.

Spartan v Theban in 4th and 3rd century.

418 Mantinea 400 9100 1100 8000
394 Nemea 1100 23000 2800 24000
394 2nd Corona 350 15000 600 20000


Spartan/Allies
strength 47100
losses 1850
Openents 52000
losses 4500

Spartan/Allies: 10 spartans to effect a kill, odd of staying alive in doing so: 1 in 25
Thebans: 28 to effect a kill, odds of odd of staying alive in doing so: 1 in 12.

Comment at even odds, a spartan was 3 times as likly to inflict a casualty and twice as likly to survive.


4th century Data from https://www.amazon.com/Land-Battles-5th-...429&sr=8-1
3rd century data from https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Battles-R ... 0826430155

[CaesarAugustus]

"A bit" difficult to give any reply. We don't have enough figures, and the one we have are a bit misaligned. And, sometime there is a misalignment between roman sources and enemy sources.

[Hanny]

Hi to all,

                         How many times got victory and defeat roman soldiers who fight others army? 

                          I means ask total war against other army. Please help this topic and thanks in advance.



with best regards-Sajid

Free download for 667 battles, pages 141 onward list the battles in order with win or lose, so you can calculate by century or war etc.

https://b-ok.cc/book/1175282/4b2c70?id=1...ret=4b2c70

[SAJID]

 Hello to all,
                   Thanks "Hanny" very interesting Link you share.[url=https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/member.php?action=profile&uid=4545][/url]


   with best regards- Sajid