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Well noted; I missed that on my way through looking for Auxillaries with their Swords on the left. Puts me me in mind of the Josephus discussion from a few months ago concerning the wearing of Swords. Interestingly, there appear to be a number of Dacians wearing Swords on the right as well as on the left. I also hadn't noticed the presence of Axes quite so much on the relief. It's so nice to be able to see all the images in their full context.
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Quote:there's also a scene involving a Dacian attack on a Roman fort where the auxiliary defenders also wear their swords on the left
Given that those auxiliaries must have originally had spears or swords in their hands, it makes me wonder if the infamous rings on top of the helmets had plumes in them, and the rings were a way for the plumes to be attached securely?
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Quote:it makes me wonder if the infamous rings on top of the helmets had plumes in them, and the rings were a way for the plumes to be attached securely?
Don't be daft: as Coulston pointed out to me long ago, they're there so that the suspended troops can be swung down in racks and deployed like droids in Star Wars I (or was it II?) from a large machine... and that is where that strange device in Scene CXIV comes in. No sillier than any of the other nonsense people deduce from the Column ;-)
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Quote:Don't be daft: as Coulston pointed out to me long ago, they're there so that the suspended troops can be swung down in racks and deployed like droids in Star Wars I (or was it II?) from a large machine...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quote:....No sillier than any of the other nonsense people deduce from the Column ;-) )
Indeed. I mean, only a complete numpty would wonder if those rings on the helmets were for attaching plumes. Next thing he knows, he's wondering if some of the helmets are based on Italic A's or B's.
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Quote:Peroni:108k388a Wrote:there's also a scene involving a Dacian attack on a Roman fort where the auxiliary defenders also wear their swords on the left
Given that those auxiliaries must have originally had spears or swords in their hands, it makes me wonder if the infamous rings on top of the helmets had plumes in them, and the rings were a way for the plumes to be attached securely?
Nice Idea really. Hmm... this gets better and better.. soon we can do a good interpretation of theise auxillae. As I set out to do one year ago. I might get there in the end...hehe
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Hi,
when you're talking about helmets with rings on tops of the helmets... what do you think about this one? I don't read French, so I don't know, what Feugère writes about that helmet.
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What he meant was:
did the rings form a backing for some kind of bronze appliques, like bronze plumes.. just like bronze swords.. which were applied at one time...ON THE MONUMENT!
mind you, it took a very long time before people understood that some of the holes in the walls of the amphitheatrum flavium were actually for bronze lettering!!!
so read again and dont start miffing immediately about his questions ok?
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Quote:Hi,
when you're talking about helmets with rings on tops of the helmets... what do you think about this one? I don't read French, so I don't know, what Feugère writes about that helmet.
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It's in his book, 'Weapons of the Romans';
"Noticing that among the bronze artefacts there were some circular plaques with rings attached, Comarmond concluded that these were linked with the reliefs on some ancient monuments, such as the columns of Trajan and Marcus Aurelius., which featured helmets topped with a ring. On this evidence alone Comarmond described these objects as helmet-crests in his catalogues, though today they are known to be parts of the harnesses fitted to horses and other animals; and having acquired a Republican period helmet with the top missing, he did not hesitate to mount one of the locally found rings onto it."
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still doesnt give you any clue to the use of bronze fittings on the monument.... and therefore the rings on top of the helmets on the monument...
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Quote:Indeed. I mean, only a complete numpty would wonder if those rings on the helmets were for attaching plumes.
Particularly if said numpty hadn't noticed that some helmets are given crests on the Column ;-) Seriously, though, the rings are always portayed in the same way whatever the aspect of the head and helmet to which they are attached so it is at least a possibility (the fact that some crests are shown is comparable to the fact that some weapons are sculpted and not separately attached).
Quote:Next thing he knows, he's wondering if some of the helmets are based on Italic A's or B's.
Surely not!
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Martin wrote..
Quote:soon we can do a good interpretation of theise auxillae. As I set out to do one year ago. I might get there in the end...hehe
then you'll be needing one of these to attach your crest ring to then..
The Toledo helmet (Fake)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/ ... toledo.jpg
Or.. from Legio XXX Ulpia Traiana website..
http://www.legioxxx.it/Milites/Foderaro%20F.htm
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Quote:"Noticing that among the bronze artefacts there were some circular plaques with rings attached, Comarmond concluded that these were linked with the reliefs on some ancient monuments, such as the columns of Trajan and Marcus Aurelius., which featured helmets topped with a ring. On this evidence alone Comarmond described these objects as helmet-crests in his catalogues, though today they are known to be parts of the harnesses fitted to horses and other animals; and having acquired a Republican period helmet with the top missing, he did not hesitate to mount one of the locally found rings onto it."
Thank you for the explanation, Tarbicus.
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Quote:Martin wrote..
Quote:soon we can do a good interpretation of theise auxillae. As I set out to do one year ago. I might get there in the end...hehe
then you'll be needing one of these to attach your crest ring to then..
The Toledo helmet (Fake)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/ ... toledo.jpg
Or.. from Legio XXX Ulpia Traiana website..
http://www.legioxxx.it/Milites/Foderaro%20F.htm
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So what were the rings for? To hang the helmet when marching? Evidently they put them on there for something.
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