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Such applications of Roman belt with two types of applications .
The She wolf with the twins and a head with Cornucopia are found in several places in Rome frontier: Cortesia Vindonissa Museum Brugg-CH, Cortesia Limesmuseum Aalen - Aalen-D) (Cortesia Römerstadt Augusta Raurica - Augst-CH), Landesmuseum Bonn.
The buckle is from Rado's creative project -(Cortesia Römisch-Germanisches Zentralmuseum - Mainz-D) Cingulum buckles are very beautiful piece from the Roman military equipment. It is a great pleasure for me ,to create them in the most accurate way.
The pugio model frog from a military belt from Windisch (VINDONISSA), Switzerland. First half of the 1st century AD.
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What was the reason for sewing the toungue onto the belt rather than just tapering the belt leather into a narrower strap for the toungue?
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The stitching has been done to reduce the cost of leather. WE could use one piece of leather for the entire belt, but it obviously infltaes the cost.
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I see the same thing that Brandon has mentioned and think it makes for a poor production ( in an old English saying "To sink the ship for a penny worth of pitch" ) and also I see that your belt tongue has a multitude of holes that are not needed for who in the world is going to have their waist expand that many times over the life of that belt.
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Salve! It looks like a nice belt that's for sure. But I do think that you would sell more, especially to the RAT community if you fixed the leather, perhaps the wolf, and I'm not too sure if those frogs are too far apart.
If you ask Crispvs who is a expert on the subject, those long leather straps used to attach the pugio to the frogs are either way too long, or shouldnt be used at all meaning that the frogs should be around 10cm apart if the pugio were to be about 8cm wide?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Nice work anyways!
How do you polish the brass without making your leather dirty?
Regards Sam.
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Sam is right. Pugios should never have straps - these are a modern anacronism which is not supported by any evidence. Contemporary Roman depictions always show the upper suspension rings of the pugio sheath in line with the belt itself (apart from a single example where the pugio is somehow attached horizontally to the front of the belt, but this example is difficult to interpret and should not be copied). The distance between the buttons of the two frog plates should be just slightly wider than the outside edges of the two upper suspension rings, with a gap of perhaps two or three millimetres between the suspension ring and the frog button. Roman depictions show them very closely positioned and sometimes the frog buttons are even shown overlapping the suspension rings slightly.
As a simple measure for your staff so they get it right every time, when determining the positioning of the frog plates, just lay a pugio sheath onto the belt with the upper suspension rings resting on the belt leather and position the frogs so that the buttons are almost touching the suspension rings. That way, the spacing should always be correct.
There is another point I should make before you go into production. This is regarding the apron terminals. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any surviving terminals, and only one contemporary depiction of terminals, which have rounded plates. It would be better to go with the more common square or rectangular plates. These can be long or short but should be cut square. The terminals themselves should be lozenge shaped, lunate (with the points curving downward) shaped like an upside down teardrop, or occasionally like an ivy leaf. They are often depicted with a little knob on the end of the terminal. I cannot think of any actual terminals (positively identified, that is) shaped like the ones in your picture.
Here is Mike Bishop's article on aprons, which you may find useful:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20524593/The-e...ron#scribd
I hope this helps.
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Brian,
The belt would need to have several holes. Holes in a belt regulate the length when done up, as everyone knows. How long your belt needs to be varies slightly according to whether or not you are wearing armour at the same time and how many layers of clothing you are wearing. If it is fitted to go around your armour and cannot be adjusted, it would be likely to work its way down or fall down around your ankles if you were then to wear it in tunic order.
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I agree with Crispus. The terminals used are strange. I think i have seen some pieces like that, but in a size suggesting cavalry equipment. In my opinion, better is go for sure and try one of the thousands of terminals with teardrop or lunulae profile.
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Crispvs.
I am very aware of what you mention however what I was trying to point out is that a few holes are alright, but not to go crazy all along that strip, then again to have that piece fixed on instead of being part of the belt is as I mentioned earlier "to sink the ship for a penny worth of pitch"
If anyone keeps asking for views on various projects they are putting forward and then just going on to ignore good advice, then no wonder there are so many poor comments on the standard of their equipment.
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Too many plates on the belt, plates way too wide, decoration way too crude, especially the pearlbands and the she-wolf with the twins. Rest has been said already.
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Christian,
I would have to disagree with you about the number of plates. Certainly some were only partially plated, such as that of the Velsen soldier, whose belt was perhaps plated only on the end which crossed the front of the body, but others, such as the two worn by the only other first century AD soldier to have survived with equipment, the Herculaneum soldier, were fully plated. I agree that the plates are wide, but I am pretty sure there are some type 'B' plates of that width, although off the top of my head I can't remember whether any of them are figural or not.
Otherwise, I am inclined to agree with your comments.
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Well, I'm with Christian on the number of plates. Here is my list of sets that I think are 'complete'. All with less plates on the body and from the northern regions. I think that along with the geograpical distribution of pugiones, we also must be cautious when looking at something as fashionable as the belts themselves. (Well, just my two denarii)
Auerberg 1: 1 buckle plate, two frog plates, one plate => 4
Auerberg 2: 1 buckle plate, two frog plates, one plate, one round plate =>5
Velsen: 1 buckle plate, two frog lates, three plates => 6
amerton (GB) Claudian(?): 1 buckle plate, 3 plates => 4
Chassenard (F) c. 40 AD: 1 buckle, 3 plates => 3
Rheingönheim (GER) Neronian(?): 1 buckle, 6 plates => 6
Velsen I (NL) c. 30 AD: 1 buckle, 2 frog plates, 5 plates => 8
Vindonissa (CH), 2nd half 1st C. AD: 1 frog with double ring, 5(?) plates => 5
Feldmoching: 1 buckle plate, one small bronze ring => 1
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Velsen...............................8
Auerberg 1........................4
Auerberg 2........................4 + Knob
Porto Nuovo.....................2
Camerton.........................4
Chassenard......................3
Rheingönheim..................7
Windisch..........................5 + Knob
Tekije 1............................ 5
Tekije 2............................ 3
Herculaneum 1(Sword)... 5
Herculaneum 2(Dagger)..10
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