Basis for Deepeeka pugio?

[Theodosius the Great]

Ave, Aitor.<br>
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I'd like to get your opinion on Deepeeka's Late Roman Pugio.<br>
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In other words, how bad do you think it is ?<br>
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<img src="http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/images/ah-3264-l.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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Thank you.<br>
-Theo <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Do a google search for 'replik-online.de', click on 'Roman Empire', then 'arms', and look on in awe! Also they do a mean patera as well, possibly the best on the market. You just need to win the lottery to buy them<br>
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Celer. <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Yes, but these are about the only really accurate options for 1st century reenactors who want to go for what would have been typical; iron sheaths with (predominately) silver inlay. Realistically i think this is what 9/10 of us should have. This is an area roman reenactors have been getting wrong for decades.<br>
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Instead what we portray are predominately the plain type iron sheaths,(or pseudo variants thereof !) which i do not believe are in evidence even for the mid to late first century, or the frame type which appears to be rare beyond the augustan period (until the third century), or failing all else deepeeka..... .<br>
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Having seen these daggers in both Junkelmanns and Petersons book, some of our blokes have bought these, having realised the mistake, we have had the brass bits tinned, which at least looks okay if you stand 15 feet away and squint through one eye! (or none!!!) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=enniuspaulinus>Ennius Paulinus</A> at: 9/18/04 12:39 pm<br></i>

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

SALVE<br>
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I try to do a enamell and silver inlay of a pugio. That's the thing:<br>
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<img src="http://www.geocities.com/avitianus/pugio.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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Vale <p></p><i></i>

[aitor iriarte]

Sorry, Theo, but my knowledge of third century stuff is very unequal and I can only tell you that, in general lines, the Deepeeka pugio resembles the appearance of the original ones but, it is in the field of the details where most battles are lost...<br>
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Aitor <p></p><i></i>

[derek forrest]

There is this one which has a very similar scabbard. Sorry the pic is poor.<br>
www.iaa.bham.ac.uk/news/newscroatia.htm <p></p><i></i>

[Crispvs]

Thanks Derek,<br>
I have had a copy of that picture for a number on months now and as soon as I saw it I recognised its similarity to the Kempten piece. I wanted to post it in support of what I was saying above, as I only have line drawings of the Kempten sheath, but I still have not got the hang of posting pictures or links. Thanks for doing it for me.<br>
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Lucius,<br>
Nice job on the inlay! Hopefully I'll be able to match it when I bite the bullet and start to inlay my own sheath. By the way, if I were you I would put a rivet or decorative boss in the middle of the terminal expansion. Off the top of my head I cannot think of any surviving terminals which lack evidence of this feature. Is it supposed to type 'A' or type 'B'? I notice it has type 'B' suspension loops.<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=crispvs>Crispvs</A> at: 9/21/04 2:56 am<br></i>

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

Salve<br>
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My pugio is not copied from a original exemplar. Is the type with a thin metal plate superposed to a leather covered wood scabbard.<br>
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I will put a rivet in the terminal expansion. My pugio is unfinished<br>
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Thanks.<br>
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Vale <p></p><i></i>

[Crispvs]

Lucius,<br>
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A type 'A' sheath is made from two pieces of iron (or brass in the case of the Leuven example), which form the front and back. It is likely that type 'A' sheaths were built around a wooden 'lining'.<br>
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A type 'B' sheath is made from wood (possibly covered with leather) with a near flat (or slightly curved) iron plate on the front but not the back.<br>
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A frame type sheath is made like a small Mainz pattern sword scabbard of simple design and consisted of side guttering and horizontal braces or plates. It is built around a wood (and maybe leather) 'lining'.<br>
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Each has its own particular features and fittings but I thought I would keep it simple for the time being. If you want to know more I'll do my best to give you a reasonable summary.<br>
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Hope this helps<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

Thank you very much, Crispus.<br>
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My pugio is a B sheat type. When i'll finish, i'll put a pic.<br>
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The iberic "pugio" are made with frame type, so it's very possible that at a initial stage, romans use that kind of sheat.<br>
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VALE <p></p><i></i>