Bronze Lorica Segmentata from NOVAE

[Rado]

The Information is from the book THE LOWER DANUBE ROMAN LIMES ( 1 st -6 st C.AD) with publication from the Limes Congress in Ruse Bulgaria.
http://www.limes2012.naim.bg/programme
This book is published from the National Institute of Archaeology with Museum in Sofia (Bulgarian Academy of Sciences).

[Rado]

In this book there is very ..interesting information .
Proof of existence of Bronze Lorica Segmentata Colbridge A and B model.


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“..The bronze parts of a shoulder guard and two plates from a torso found in NOVAE -station of Legio VIII Augusta..”
Authors describe several parts from iron Segmentata also.

[Rado]

Here can be read better:


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[ANTONIVS MAGNVS]

This sounds interesting! Can't wait to hear more.

[mcbishop]

This sounds interesting! Can't wait to hear more.

Don't get too excited. It's probably manica.

Mike Bishop

[Rado]

Author of the book “Arms and Armour of the Imperial Roman Soldier” from Marius to Commodus Raffaele Dámato & Graham Sumner, described this bronze segmentata from NOVAE as a used in legio I Italica in Flavian period .


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[Rado]

This is a sketch-painting of my brother Jordan ( Lucius Verecundus in RAT)


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[mcbishop]

Okay, there are a number of non-sequiturs hopping about like agitated fleas here. First, why does Dr D'Amato say the Praetorians wore copper-alloy segmental armour? There is no published archaeological evidence (in the form of finds of that armour in a Praetorian context) I am aware of to support that assertion. Second, there is nothing about that particular sculpture (or any other come to that) that dictates that the depicted armour is of copper alloy. The figure is quite clearly derivative (the rounded ends to plates and the chunky functionless rivets make that clear), probably based on Trajan's Column and its ilk. His assertion that copper-alloy armour is shown on the figure then derives from his statement that the Guard wore it (which as we have seen, is unproven).

There is no convincing evidence that those particular pieces of armour from Svishtov-Novae were body armour (so-called lorica segmentata) rather than armguard. There are plenty of examples of copper-alloy manica (the Till Steincheshof example being only the most recent) but no major indisputable components of segmentata made of copper-alloy plate. There are also plenty of examples of segmentata from Novae of the conventional type (copper-alloy fittings on steel plates).

Mike Bishop

[Virilis]

I would love to see copper-alloy segmentata but where is the evidence?

[AMELIANVS]

This is a sketch-painting of my brother Jordan ( Lucius Verecundus in RAT)


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Maybe it's unhistorical(maybe not)...but it's cool :wink: ! I always wanted to paint soldier in bronze segmentata because it is so unusual and Interesting.

[Rado]

Actually I hope someday to see personal artifacts form NOVAE.
However for now no one can prove that this part are not from bronze lorica segmentata.
So that scientific work has been not written accidently and not for seeking sensation.
Of course that the opposite theory is not 100 % proven.

[Dan Howard]

No theory is 100% proven. A theory is a best-guess as to how something worked based on available evidence. As soon as new evidence turns up the theory has to be revised. Right now the best-guess as to the NOVAE plates (and all the other similar bronze plates) is a manica, not a segmentata. If someone uncovers a skeleton tomorrow with a torso that is shaped like an arm then that theory will need to be revised.

[Rado]

I think it WILL BE enough if it will be found a bronze plates with attached on them hinges and hooks. It will be sufficient evidence.

[markusaurelius]

From the images you posted I don't see any hinges? Just some pieces of bronze with riveted attachments on them....

[Rado]

I mean in the future.