Centurion helmet from Sisak, Croatia

[Rado]

Masked spherical trim on both sides( under the decorate band) are slightly different from the model with which you mainly work (left model ). Furrows are narrower and more on densely (right model) ,but..even it (the right one)needs an extra improvement. . You see the difference right?!

[Rado]

Please no hole opening in the forehead .I have no evidence of such as hole. Protective bracket should match/lie down alone on the forehead.

If you or someone else have proof of such a hole in the forehead, please share it with us !?
I hope that I was positive in my adjustments.They are only in purpose to improve product quality..
Sorry for the bad paintings and collages

[PhilusEstilius]

Rado.

There is another aspect of this helmet that needs to be considered and that is the front reinforce for was this similar to that of the Imperial Italic G where it should be L shaped and made from a piece of metal of no more than 0-9 mm thick.

The front edge of the helmet Gagan is showing has a hole for what looks to be a very thick reinforce is going to be used and if a solid peek of that thickness is used the helmet is going to be very heavy at the front indeed.

[PhilusEstilius]

Rado.
I would think that for all helmets with a reinforce at the front there has to be a hole, however this hole only needs to be very small in fact just a tiny slot.
There are three points of contact for a reinforce two of which are the rivets or studs that hold it at the sides and this small hole at the front of the bowl that is there simply to stop the peek from moving about.

[Rado]

Probably most of the helmets that you Brian write here about have holes but also some of the museum exhibits (Coolus and Gallic models) are without holes in the front part of the helmet. Anyway ..with a hole or not it is not a such a big deal

[deepeeka]

Hi

Most of our roman helmets, including the new model are 23x19cm size.

Gagan

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Thats a pity, 19 is too narrow for me!

[deepeeka]

About the discussion of the hole in the front for the visor, please see we are using cast visor for the helmet, and it may not be possible to cast thinner than this. We already receive some complaints about these breaking, casting it thinner would only elevate such complaints. The hole is based on the thickness of the visor, and is normally not really visible, once the visor is setup.

Rado, another problem I see in not having a slot to hold the visor, is that it can also fall below. It will be difficult to control where it is placed in production. With the slot, they all come in exactly the same place.

I am open to suggestions, if what else can be done on this.

Gagan

[jvrjenivs]

sing cast visor for the helmet, and it may not be possible to cast thinner than this. We already receive some complaints about these breaking, casting it thinner would only elevate such complaints.

Wouldn't a piece cut from sheet (instead of casting) both improve the look, thickness and make it stronger, as cast-iron is prompt to break anyway.

[Ildar]

My photos:
http://forum.xlegio.ru/photos/show-album...otoid=1649
http://forum.xlegio.ru/photos/show-album...otoid=1650
http://forum.xlegio.ru/photos/show-album...otoid=1651

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Great phots Ildar!
They really emphasis tha tthe ear cutouts are not at 90 degrees (or 180),
but are set further back on the helmet, and the neck should not curve back in like
on the prototype either, but extend down and out slightly.
as the extension the neck guard is welded to is also a separate piece, this should be do-able!

[LVCIAN FIDELIS]

Im Digging the Stamp work in the Tin on this helmet.
I hadn't seen this in the earlier helms before.

[Doc]

I think that the sheet you are seeing wtih punctim is silver not tin. From the description in D'Amatos book, it appears that the rosettes would have been gilt.

[Rado]

Wonderful pictures Ildar! Thanks for sharing!Yes..This picture definitely proves the hole on the front guard
Прикольная фотография !Kрасота! Других слов нет!

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http://forum.xlegio.ru/photos/show-album...otoid=1650
http://forum.xlegio.ru/photos/show-album...otoid=1651

[Ildar]

I think that the sheet you are seeing wtih punctim is silver not tin. From the description in D'Amatos book, it appears that the rosettes would have been gilt.

Ivan Radman-Livaja. 'Siscia as a Roman Military Stronghold. The Catalogue of Finds,' No. 4. in Finds of the Roman Military Equipment in Croatia. Zagreb, 2010, p. 207:

"Traces of rich decoration are clearly visible on this Weisenau-type helmet, despite the damages. On the lower edge of the frontal half of the calotte a silver band is still well-preserved, while two silver rosettes ornamented with enamel are on each side. During the conservation of the helmet traces of thin silver sheet layers were observed on several places, gilded in some places, and it would seem that the entire helmet was covered in silver sheets. Three different layers of decorative sheets were recognized during conservation process. The first was of silver, decorated in punctuated floral pattern. The second layer was made out of gilded sheets and it is recognizable on few places only, subsequently overlaid with the third silver-sheet layer, also punctuated. It is most likely that the owner(s) of the helmet had it re-decorated on at least three occasions. The silver band on frontal edge partially covers the decorative rosettes, which suggests that this is not an original ornament, but a subsequent addition or repair."