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Mythical creatures and the marmol of Germanicus at Segobriga
#16
"Lex/law is Etruscan language. It comes from the root leo as leon and K-sor do. And so, he is also depicted with the head of a lion and wings."

I would have to say that this sounds like supposition to me and I cannot see any real connection between the law and chimeras. In any case, the creatures depicted on the breastplate clearly have beaks and crest feathers, meaning that they are griffins rather than chimeras so any tenuous connection with law is invalid.

"No feathers. It is a wig of serpents."

No - you are confusing the crest feathers of a griffin with the serpents which formed the hair of the three gorgons, including Medusa. To the best of my knowledge no other creatures are referred to in ancient sources as having serpents on their heads. Therefore, if the creature is not a gorgon, the things on its head cannot be snakes.

"I concede that it is hard to see any wings in the surviving XX Legion symbols in the marranos. Perhaps the most is a crest …they could be wings."

No - the Twentieth Legion boars definitely do not have wings. I have seen literally hundreds of their tile stamps myself which show the charging boar and none show wings. The raised crest you see is the raised hair along the boar's spine. If you observe real wild boars which are frightened or angry you can still observe this effect.

"Cobras, used in Egypt, are not as elegant as the poisons of the Romans; a Roman/Judeo view of Paradise."

I have to say here that I cannot see how this is in any way relevant to the subject at hand.

"You are referring to the caduceus… Oath “do no harm”."

No I wasn't, and again, it is not relevant here.

"Perhaps you mean wisdom and knowledge… Chinese like the Qi or the ourobouros of Alexandria... competing with the Brahman of the Stoics."

No, I didn't. I was simply pointing out the royal associations of griffins. I did not offer any real interpretation as to their purpose. I think you are reading too much into what I am saying.
Incidentally the last picture you posted up *could* probably be counted as a chimera, but it is a figure closely associated with the worship of Mithras, and is therefore rather too late to be relevant to a study of the decoration of Germanicus' breastplate.

I would refer you again to my earlier suggestions of interpretation of the symbolism on the breastplate, with the additional suggestion that the Medusa head is probably present as a symbolic defence against enemies.

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#17
Straight to the point: Griffins are benevolent genii. Consider this:
pic. Sekhmet: Goddess of war and battle. Goddess of vengeance.
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Why waist any time with faces of Eris?
The rebirth of Algea happens not in discussions but in rumble… Turning; revolutions.
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#18
Already in the 4 Cent. BC, the winged boar was in fact the emblem of Clazomenae... later it changed and it got confused with a bearded Persian…. Although, in some coins they appeared together front and back.
Anyway, this is relevant because they were close allies of Sebastos pre/during the statue timeline. Some philosophical interpretations go as far as to say that the winged boar and the winged horse of the neighbors were in fact the result of Hermes and the Gorgon… Bubba!
The winged bearded Persian that in some iconography (during Persian Clazomenae) has a head-dress of horns (like a Viking) is no other than the Persian Gilgamesh of old Babelon; perhaps a little dilution in the gene pool… Bubba!
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Drank from the spring flowing today as it did yesterday
Why waist any time with faces of Eris?
The rebirth of Algea happens not in discussions but in rumble… Turning; revolutions.
I inspire myself in the poems of love; loving perfect kisses… incredible kisses
So I leave you with your progeny: Ignavia, Otia and Silentia.
Manuel.
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#19
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From wiki
Athena mourning. The golden fleece.
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The evolution of the Mithras cult was such that it took all the yazatas (7) into an all symbolic one…jabato . The strongest of the strong; the warrior with the golden armor; etc… Mithras. A line taken from the movie ‘The usual suspects’ is: “ Puff. And just like that they flew away”
Drank from the spring flowing today as it did yesterday
Why waist any time with faces of Eris?
The rebirth of Algea happens not in discussions but in rumble… Turning; revolutions.
I inspire myself in the poems of love; loving perfect kisses… incredible kisses
So I leave you with your progeny: Ignavia, Otia and Silentia.
Manuel.
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#20
Since this thread is clearly going nor going anywhere (which is OK because it's OT), I changed the title because some people could be fooled into thinking this thread has anything remotely to do with some person named Germanicus.
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#21
Quote:Since this thread is clearly going nor going anywhere (which is OK because it's OT), I changed the title because some people could be fooled into thinking this thread has anything remotely to do with some person named Germanicus.
Ahh yes!! Finally there is the fury of Vortingen. Changing titles? It is my post and it is about Germanicus and the meaning of his aegis. Would you change it back?
Drank from the spring flowing today as it did yesterday
Why waist any time with faces of Eris?
The rebirth of Algea happens not in discussions but in rumble… Turning; revolutions.
I inspire myself in the poems of love; loving perfect kisses… incredible kisses
So I leave you with your progeny: Ignavia, Otia and Silentia.
Manuel.
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#22
Quote: It is my post and it is about Germanicus and the meaning of his aegis.
But not your thread. :wink:
It's also not about the meaning of the aegis of Germanicus, it's about mythical creatures, without any relevance to the original post - nowhere is there any discussion about the meaning of his aegis.

Better now? :wink:
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#23
humm. Your intromission is oppressive… Much better title as well, but I did not ask for a title. Thank You.
Drank from the spring flowing today as it did yesterday
Why waist any time with faces of Eris?
The rebirth of Algea happens not in discussions but in rumble… Turning; revolutions.
I inspire myself in the poems of love; loving perfect kisses… incredible kisses
So I leave you with your progeny: Ignavia, Otia and Silentia.
Manuel.
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#24
Quote:humm. Your intromission is oppressive… Much better title as well, but I did not ask for a title. Thank You.
I'm a mod, intromission is what I do.
You're welcome.
Robert Vermaat
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