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No, it says the other big dig of thingy is Cleo's tomb, possibly 30 k sout hof Alexandria. this is part of the complex where Cleo lived in Alexandria!!
And, just look at all the recess's and shaped bits on the slab.......must be important!! :o mrgreen:
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QUOTE REUTERS:
REFILE - CORRECTING TYPO IN ARCHAEOLOGIST'S SURNAME Egypt's top archaeologist Zahi Hawass ® and archaeologist Hary Tazlaz © talk to journalists about the ancient Egyptian granite tower that was retrieved from the Mediterranean Sea, at Alexandria's eastern harbour December 17, 2009. The tower is a part of a pylon of the temple to Isis, and was found next to Cleopatra's submerged mausoleum on the murky seabed.
REUTERS/Asmaa Waguih (EGYPT - Tags: SOCIETY)
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December 17, 2009
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ALEXANDRIA, Egypt — Egyptian archaeologists on Thursday lifted an ancient granite temple pylon out of the waters of the Mediterranean, where it had lain for centuries as part of the palace complex of Cleopatra, submerged in Alexandria’s harbor. 
Hawass has already launched another high-profile dig connected to Cleopatra. In April, he said he hopes to find the long-lost tomb of Antony and Cleopatra — and that he believes it may be inside a temple of Osiris located about 30 miles west of Alexandria.
Seems we can live in totally different realities if we just select only the press we want... :roll: :lol:
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True!! thats why our lives are so terribly difficult hahahahahahaha
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The lost tomb of Antony and Cleopatra? Sounds suspiciously like Geraldo and Al Capone's Vault LOL
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Quote:The lost tomb of Antony and Cleopatra? Sounds suspiciously like Geraldo and Al Capone's Vault LOL
If only archaeologists learned not to use words like "lost", "mystery", "treasure", and so on, things would be a lot better.
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And of course make the use of the words: Probable, Likely, Unknown, Maybe et cetera,
MANDATORY !!!
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Quote:And of course make the use of the words: Probable, Likely, Unknown, Maybe et cetera,
And they shoukl also learn to start every article with the sentence "I am an archaeologist, which means that I am not a classicist or a historian, so that any argument that I present, based on linguistic or historical evidence, ought to be treated with suspicion."
Right now, I am writing a book on the history of the Low Countries and I consult archaeological and historical articles and books; it is shocking to see how little these two related disciplines know about each other. Historians claiming that the battle of the Teutoburg Forest was important (no; the creation of the limes was what mattered); archaeologists stating that there was such a thing as a "municipium status" for Roman towns - obviously unaware of Millar's famous The Roman Emperor.
We pay for the universities. I wonder why, because the people over there are too lazy to ask their colleagues what they are doing.
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Speaking of classicists, this reminds me of some unrelated questions. If experts in ancient Egypt are called "Egyptologists", why aren't experts in ancient Rome called "Romanologists"? Also, how does the academic world define a "classist"?
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In defense of Hawass: He very well may be under intense political pressure from the Government to gain publicity and therefore tourist dollars for the Egypt government and economy.
In a few other scientific contexts and other countries having different data or interpretations of it lead quickly to unemployment or failure to receive renewed grants.
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For a great part you are very right Jona, and for a little part wrong.
I also gruel when reading that because a well is found which has been made of a wood barrel probably containing wine from Caligula's personal winery, all of a sudden the man was in the Netherlands when he attacked the ocean... also stated because of a source which mentions the tower of "Kalla" near Katwijk, a sea town here in NL..
Same with the little silver disc found in Nijmegen on the Kops Plateau in the old, very large camp, attested to have been from a general since the name corresponds...
however, in some cases Archaeologists do force scholars to change their perspective of the sources, and force them to criticise their primary sources henceforth..
No the Teutoburg forest battles were not important for the overall history of the Roman Empire, and yes the excavations at Kalkriese were because that is nowhere near the location of the so called forest and Hermanns Denkmal.
Same with the siege of Dura, may not have been important overall, but the discovery of what seems to be a church with murals of early christianity is important enough in itself...
So yes, a better understanding between the two disciplines is needed, as well as overall historio-archaeologists who specialise n BOTH disciplines.
Its a little like the sociology vs history debate...
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Quote:“I halted the Louvre museum’s excavations until they return five Egyptian paintings which they did, and so far 5,000 artifacts have been returned from around the world,” he said, adding that he’s also working for the return of five unique pieces, such as the Nefertiti bust and a Rosetta stone in London’s museum. “I’ve centered by demand on Nefertiti’s bust.”
From Hawass in that article about the stone...
I'm really quite alarmed by these ransom demands that the nutter is instigating! - Most Egyptians are not really interested in the Dynastic heritage of their country, they much prefer to see the preservation of coptic and islamic heritage which are much more tangible to them. I was speaking to the Manchester Museums Head of Egyptology and she had told me of some of the run in's she has had with Hawass whilst working out there. He is quite open to bribery apparently when it comes to some of the permits for project consent/excavation
(This is only hearsay however, I cannot attest to it being true as I have never worked in Egypt myself)
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And guess what will happen to the artefacts if, the gods forbid, a muslim extremist government will ever take over power in Egypt....
cf the blowing up of beautiful statues by the taliban, the wrecking of the Iraqi museum by insurgents, notwithstanding the destruction of a lot of features in babylon by the US army (for which they apologised by the way)
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I've split the Kalkriese posts from this thread because I think they make a very good discussion. Now to be found here.
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