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The Dory
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Quote:I think you misunderstand my point. One limitation on how long a normal spear you can wield in phalanx is that for every foot you gain forward, it is counter-balanced by an equal foot backward - which interferes with ranks behind you - not to mention becoming heavier.Thus 7-8 ft is the practical limit to length. A tapered, rear weighted spear allows one to have, say , a 9-10 ft spear, with still only 3 ft protruding behind you.

I don't think this is such an obstacle. If held overhand ant even a very shallow down-angle, then the first few feet are the most critical in hitting the head of a man behind you. The same is largely true for underhand grips as well. If you can hold a 12 foot spear with one hand, you could surely use it/



Quote:The ultimate expression/development of this design trend was the pike/sarissa which allowed a length of 18 ft or so, yet with still only some 3-4 ft protruding behind.Thus the changed balance point/tapering allowed the production of longer spears, leading to the longest possible practical spear - the pike/sarissa.


This has very little do do with tapering and back-weighting. Surely you don't think a 18' sarissa was balanced at 3' from the rear??? The sarissa is a two handed spear and that changes everything. The balance point should be at or ahead of the left handed fore-grip. A two handed pike can be gripped so that no shaft extends beyond the rear hand- as in early modern pikes.


Quote:When you take the rear-weighted balance to shorten back-length concept to its logical conclusion we end up with a sword- a very heavy sword.
.....nope! You end up with a pike/sarissa !! A sword is a very different weapon with characteristics altogether different. The only factor in common is the rear-wighted balance point.

A stabbing sword is a essentially a very light, short spear with the balance at the hilt caused by the heavy pommel. The two handed sarissa is not a direct outgrowth of the rear-weighted, one handed dory. In fact the opposite. If sarissa were tapered and rear weighted, then it is a parallel evolution of a simple, non-tapered pike to a tapered form that had the advantages described above. The whole point of the taper and weighting system is to NOT make the spear any longer. A two handed spear may have evolved as a counter to the rear-weighted dory, because they were probably hitting the limit to how long a one handed spear can extend beyond the grip. To get a spear longer than about 8' tapered, 12' untapered, you need two hands I'm guessing.
Paul M. Bardunias
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The Dory - by PMBardunias - 06-05-2009, 04:52 PM
Re: The Dory - by Peter Raftos - 06-05-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 06-06-2009, 01:43 PM
Re: The Dory - by Peter Raftos - 07-02-2009, 04:49 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-02-2009, 05:24 PM
Re: The Dory - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-03-2009, 09:22 PM
Re: The Dory - by Peter Raftos - 07-04-2009, 01:49 AM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-04-2009, 01:52 AM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-04-2009, 02:14 AM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-04-2009, 04:22 AM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-04-2009, 04:58 AM
Re: The Dory - by Peter Raftos - 07-04-2009, 06:46 AM
Re: The Dory - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-04-2009, 11:54 AM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-04-2009, 02:28 PM
Re: The Dory - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-04-2009, 04:54 PM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-04-2009, 05:48 PM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-04-2009, 09:09 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-06-2009, 06:16 PM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-06-2009, 09:44 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-06-2009, 10:24 PM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-06-2009, 11:58 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-07-2009, 12:51 AM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-07-2009, 02:10 AM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-07-2009, 04:06 AM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-07-2009, 04:50 AM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-07-2009, 05:13 AM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-07-2009, 05:55 AM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-07-2009, 06:37 AM
Re: The Dory - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-07-2009, 01:12 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-07-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-08-2009, 02:07 AM
Re: The Dory - by Paullus Scipio - 07-08-2009, 04:51 AM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-08-2009, 05:53 AM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-08-2009, 03:46 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-08-2009, 08:00 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-08-2009, 08:48 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-17-2009, 06:16 PM
Re: The Dory - by Kineas - 07-17-2009, 10:07 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-18-2009, 04:13 AM
Re: The Dory - by richard robinson - 07-22-2009, 01:36 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 07-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Re: The Dory - by Paralus - 08-17-2009, 02:04 PM
Re: The Dory - by PMBardunias - 08-17-2009, 05:48 PM
Re: The Dory - by Paralus - 08-17-2009, 09:51 PM
Re: The Dory - by KRD - 08-19-2009, 01:24 PM
Re: The Dory - by Paralus - 08-19-2009, 02:10 PM

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