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Hispaniensis?
#16
Why can't it be a Roman centurion even? We have evidence of them wearing the musculata IIRC. I'm with Byron, and I also don't see why this has to be a non-Roman sword.
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#17
Quote:Why can't it be a Roman centurion even? We have evidence of them wearing the musculata IIRC. I'm with Byron, and I also don't see why this has to be a non-Roman sword.

I think it must be Roman or at least of Roman origin as I believe the Celtiberians may not have used that type of guttered scabbard for their home produced La Tene II, from which thr GH is thought to have originated.
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#18
Conal, yes, they do. The iberians use guttered scabbards for swords and for daggers.

But, i think too it's a roman sword depiction, close to our XXI century idea of what's a hispaniensis.
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#19
Then, that's an anormal kind of hispaniensis?
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#20
Quote:Conal, yes, they do. The iberians use guttered scabbards for swords and for daggers.

But, i think too it's a roman sword depiction, close to our XXI century idea of what's a hispaniensis.

For their version of La Tene II swords also?
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#21
Quote:Then, that's an anormal kind of hispaniensis?

Please explain in what way its abnormal?
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#22
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Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs:dexvzks9 Wrote:Then, that's an anormal kind of hispaniensis?

Please explain in what way its abnormal?

I'm asking, not stating, because Avitianus says <<close to our XXI century idea of what's a hispaniensis>>.

But I think that is a little short the blade, but it's a low relief and may be isn't exact.. .
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#23
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LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS:1o3zdnuj Wrote:Conal, yes, they do. The iberians use guttered scabbards for swords and for daggers.

But, i think too it's a roman sword depiction, close to our XXI century idea of what's a hispaniensis.

For their version of La Tene II swords also?

Yes. Aitor Iriarte have published some of them in a deposit.

When i say "XXI century idea" i want to expres that romans make swords and representation of swords. They not do a Hispaniensis, Mainz or Pompei representation. They do a relief with one gladius represented, as it was in his roman minds.
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#24
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Conal:2frh4uz1 Wrote:
Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs:2frh4uz1 Wrote:Then, that's an anormal kind of hispaniensis?

Please explain in what way its abnormal?

I'm asking, not stating, because Avitianus says <<close to our XXI century idea of what's a hispaniensis>>.

But I think that is a little short the blade, but it's a low relief and may be isn't exact.. .

Ah..now i understand. I agree that the representation is a little short in the blade. Also it would be difficult to get a waisted blade into a waisted scabbard :wink:
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#25
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Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs:30j41yct Wrote:
Conal:30j41yct Wrote:
Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs:30j41yct Wrote:Then, that's an anormal kind of hispaniensis?

Please explain in what way its abnormal?

I'm asking, not stating, because Avitianus says <<close to our XXI century idea of what's a hispaniensis>>.

But I think that is a little short the blade, but it's a low relief and may be isn't exact.. .

Ah..now i understand. I agree that the representation is a little short in the blade. Also it would be difficult to get a waisted blade into a waisted scabbard :wink:

Sorry, my English is... bad.

Thank's Avitianus for the answer.
Mateo González Vázquez

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#26
Conal It is not difficult to get a waisted blade into a waisted scabbard, take a look at another Spanish weapon the Pugio. It becomes a situation where the exspansion of the blade must not exceed the mouth of the scabbard.
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#27
The armour is either a linothorax, see that rectangular bit sticking up at the neck, or a copy of one in metal (like the Vergina cuirass), and it has an officer's sash. The pommel of the sword looks more lobate than like the end of an anthropomorphic hilt (ie modelled arms and a head). The armour looks very Hellenistic, but not the sword.
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