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Indispensable Ancient Civilian Booklist
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Thanks to Jasper for making this sticky & to Wander for asking for this (perpetual work in progress). No further updates planned. Perhaps the webmaster could turn this list over to someone well suited to continue? Thanks again to everyone who contributed book titles.+r Smile

Quote:[size=150:1e0yoc06]>[Indispensable Ancient Civilian Booklist]<[/size]
>[Updated 15 Oct 09]<



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Agriculture, Ancient]<[/size]

Michael Woods and Mary B Woods: Ancient Agriculture: From Foraging to Farming (Runestone Press 2000) 96 pages.

>[Argriculture, Greek]<

Signe Isager: Ancient Greek Agriculture: An Introduction (Routledge 1992) 234 pages.

>[Argriculture, Roman]<

K D White: A Bibliography of Roman Agriculture (Bibliographies in Agricultural History) (University of Reading Institute of Agricultural History 1970) 63 pages.

K D White: Agricultural Implements of the Roman World (Cambridge University Press 1967) 248 pages.

K D White: Roman Farming (Aspects of Greek and Roman Life) (Cornell University Press 1970) 536 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Architecture, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Architecture, Roman]<

Roman Domestic Architecture: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/G ... /full.html


[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Art, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Art, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_mosaike.htm

John R Clarke: Art in the Lives of Ordinary Romans: Visual Representation and Non-Elite Viewers in Italy, 100 B.C.-A.D. 315 (University of California Press 2006) 396 pages.

Eve D'Ambra: Roman Art (Cambridge University Press 1998) 176 pages.

Jas Elsner: Imperial Rome and Christian Triumph: The Art of the Roman Empire AD 100-450 (Oxford University Press USA 1998) 320 pages.

Paul Corby Finney: The Invisible God: The Earliest Christians on Art (Oxford University Press USA 1997) pages.

Robin Margaret Jensen: Face to Face: Portaits of the Divine in Early Christianity (Augsburg Fortress Publishers 2004) 234 pages.

Robin Margaret Jensen: Understanding Early Christian Art (Routledge 2000) pages.

Diana E E Kleiner: Roman Sculpture (Yale University Press 1994) 489 pages.

Roger Ling: Roman Painting (Cambridge University Press 1991) 261 pages.

Roger Ling (editor): Making Classical Art: Process and Practice (Tempus Publishing 2001) 240 pages.

John Lowden: Early Christian & Byzantine Art: Art and Ideas (Phaidon Press 1997) 448 pages.

Thomas F Mathews: The Clash of Gods: A Reinterpretation of Early Christian Art (Princeton University Press revised ed. 1999) pages.

Donatella Mazzoleni, Umberto Pappalardo & Luciano Romano: Domus: Wall Painting in the Roman House (Getty Publications) 416 pages.

Harald Mielsch: Roemische Wandmalerei (Theiss 2001) 231 pages.

Jerome Jordan Pollitt: The Art of Rome c.753 B.C.-A.D. 337: Sources and Documents (Cambridge University Press 1983) 276 pages.

Nancy H Ramage & Andrew Ramage: Roman Art 5th ed. (Prentice Hall 2008) 384 pages.

Jeffrey Spier et al.: Picturing the Bible the Earliest Christian Art (Yale University Press 2007) 328 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Business, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Business, Roman]<

Jean Andreau: Banking and Business in the Roman World (Cambridge University Press 1999) 196 pages.

David Jones: The Bankers of Puteoli: Finance, Trade and Industry in the Roman World (Tempus 2006) 224 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Clothing and Accessories, Ancient]<[/size]

Thomas Hope: Costumes of the Greeks and Romans (Dove 1962) 300 pages.

>[Clothing and Accessories, Greek]<

Margarete Bieber, Griechische Kleidung (Berlin 1928).

Margarete Bieber: Enwicklungsgeschichte der griechischen Tracht (Berlin 1967).

Anastasia Pekridou-Gorecki: Mode im antiken Griechenland (C H Beck 1989) 159 pages.


>[Clothing and Accessories, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_litera ... schuhe.htm

Alexandra T Croom: Roman Clothing and Fashion (Tempus Publishing 2002) 160 pages.

Hans Rupprecht Goette: Studien zu römischen Togadarstellungen (Mainz 1989).

Matthias Pausch: Die Roemische Tunika. Ein Beitrag zur Peregrinisierung der Antiken Kleidung (Wiener Verlag 2003) 298 pages.

Judith Lynn Sebesta and Larissa Bonfante: The World of Roman Costume (Wisconsin Studies in Classics) (University of Wisconsin Press 2001) 320 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Coins, Ancient]<[/size]

Zander H Klawans: Handbook of Ancient Greek and Roman Coins (Golden Books 1995) 288 pages.

Wayne G Sayles: Classical Deception: Counterfeits, Forgeries and Reproductions of Ancient Coins (Krause Publications 2001) 196 pages.


>[Coins, Byzantine]<

Wayne G. Sayles: Ancient Coin Collecting V: The Romaion/Byzantine Culture (Krause Publications 1998) 208 pages.

David R Sear: Byzantine Coins and Their Values (Seaby 1987) 526 pages.


>[Coins, Greek]<

Wayne G Sayles: Ancient Coin Collecting II: Numismatic Art of the Greek World (KP Books 1997) 197 pages.

David R Sear: Greek Coins and Their Values Vol. I: Europe (Seaby 1978) 350+ pages.

David R Sear: Greek Coins and Their Values Vol. II: Asia and Africa (Seaby 1978) 500+ pages.

Ivan Varbanov: Greek Imperial Coins Vol. I: Dacia, Moesia Superior, Moesia Inferior (Bourgas 2005) 472 pages.

Ivan Varbanov: Greek Imperial Coins Vol. 2: Thrace (from Abdera to Pautalia (Bourgas 2005) 472 pages.

Ivan Varbanov: Greek Imperial Coins Vol. 3: Thrace (from Perinthus to Trajanopolis), Chersonesos Thraciae, Insula Thraciae, Macedonia (Bourgas 2007) 552 pages.

Ivan Varbanov: Greek Imperial Coins Vol. 4: Western Mediterranean area, Greece, Roman Asia, Asia Minor, The Levant (in Bulgarian, Bourgas 2002) 468 pages.


>[Coins, Roman]<

R A G Carson, P V Hill, and J P C Kent: Late Roman Bronze Coinage A.D. 324-498 (Durst 1994) 100+ pages.

Michael H Crawford: Roman Republican Coinage (Cambridge University Press 1975) 944 pages.

Harold Mattingly: Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum, Vols. 1-6 (Spink).

Harold Mattingly: Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum Vol. 1: Augustus to Vitellius (Spink).

Harold Mattingly: Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum Vol. 2: Vespasian to Domitian (Spink).

Harold Mattingly: Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum Vol. 3: Nerva to Hadrian (Spink).

Harold Mattingly: Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum Vol. 4: Antoninus Pius to Commodus (Spink).

Harold Mattingly: Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum Vol. 5: Pertinax to Elagabalus (Spink).

Harold Mattingly: Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum Vol. 6: Severus Alexander - Balbinus and Pupienus (Spink).

Harold Mattingly et al.: Roman Imperial Coinage Vols. I-X (Spink).

C H V Sutherland and R A G Carson: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. I: from 31 BC to AD 69 - Augustus to Vitellius (1923, revised ed. 1984, Spink reprint 1999) 304 pages.

Harold Mattingly and E A Sydenham: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. II: Vespasian to Hadrian (1926) 568 pages.

I A Carradice and T V Buttrey: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. II, Part I: Vespasian to Domitian (Spink 2008) 404 pages.

Harold Mattingly and E A Sydenham: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. III: Antoninus Pius to Commodus (1930, Spink reprint 1997) 514 pages.

Harold Mattingly, E A Sydenham, and C H V Sutherland: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. IV: Part 1 - Pertinax to Geta (1936, 399 pages); Part 2 - Macrinus to Pupienus (1938, 215 pages); Part 3 - Gordian III to Uranius Antoninus (1949, 246 pages); bound as one volume (Spink reprint 1998).

P Webb: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. V: Part 1 - Valerian to Florian (the Interregnum) (1927, reprinted 1998) 424 pages; Part 2 - Probus to Amandus (1933, Spink reprint 1998) 701 pages.

C H V Sutherland and R A G Carson: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. VI: from Diocletian Reform (294 A.D.) to the death of Maximinus II (313 A.D.) (Spink 1967, reprint 1997) .

P M Bruun: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. VII: Constantine and Licinius, 313-337 A.D. (Spink 1966, reprint 1997) .

J P C Kent: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. VIII: The Family of Constantine I, 337-364 A.D. (Spink 2003 reprint with enhanced plates) 605 pages.

J W E Pearce, edited by Harold Mattingly and C H V Sutherland: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. IX: Valentinian I to Theodosius I (1951, Spink 1997 reprint) 334 pages.

J P C Kent: Roman Imperial Coinage Vol. X: The Divided Empire and the Fall of the Western Parts 395-491 A.D. (Spink 1994) 509 pages.

Wayne G Sayles: Ancient Coin Collecting 2nd ed. (Krause 2003) 312 pages.

Wayne G Sayles: Ancient Coin Collecting III: The Roman World - Politics and Propaganda 2nd ed. (Krause 2007) 304 pages.

Wayne G Sayles: Ancient Coin Collecting IV: Roman Provincial Coins (Krause 1998) 208 pages.

H A Seaby, David R Sear, and Robert Loosley: Roman Silver Coins Vol. I.: Republic to Augustus (Seaby 1978) 166 pages.

H A Seaby and Robert Loosley: Roman Silver Coins Vol. II: Tiberius to Commodus 3rd ed. revised by Robert Loosley (Seaby 1979) 255 pages.

H A Seaby and David R Sear: Roman Silver Coins Vol. III: Pertinax to Balbinus and Pupienus (Seaby 1982) 161 pages.

H A Seaby and David R Sear: Roman Silver Coins Vol. IV: Gordian III to Postumus (Seaby 1982) 136 pages.

C E King and David R Sear: Roman Silver Coins Vol. V: Carausius to Romulus Augustus (1987, Seaby reprint 1997) 214 pages.

David R Sear: Greek Imperial Coins and Their Values: The Local Coinages of the Roman Empire (Seaby 1982) 636 pages.

David R Sear: Roman Coins and Their Values Vol. I: The Republic and the Twelve Caesars, 280 BC - AD 96 (Spink 2000) 532 pages.

David R Sear: Roman Coins and Their Values Vol. II: Adoptive Emperors to Severans :The Accession of Nerva to the Overthrow of the Severan Dynasty AD 96 - AD 235 (Spink 2002) 696 pages

David R Sear: Roman Coins and Their Values Vol. III: The Third Century Crisis and Recovery: The Accession of Maximinus I to the Death of Carinus AD 235 - 285 (Spink 2005).

David Vagi: Coinage and History of the Roman Empire Vol. I - History (638 pages); Volume II - Coinage (656 pages) (1999).

David Van Meter: Handbook of Roman Imperial Coins: A Complete Guide to the History, Types and Values of Roman Imperial Coinage (Laurion Publishers 1991) .


http://dougsmith.ancients.info/
http://esty.ancients.info/numis/
http://vcrc.austincollege.edu/
http://www.lawrence.edu/dept/art/buerger/
http://www.romancoin.info/
http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/index.html [/color]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Communities, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Communities, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_staedte.htm



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Crafts, Ancient]<[/size]

Bette Hochberg: Handspindles (Straw Into Gold 1977) 73 pages.

Marta Hoffman: The Warp Weighted Loom (Charles T Branford 1986).


>[Crafts, Roman]<

Hugo Bluemner: Technologie und Terminologie der Gewerbe und Kuenste bei Griechen und Roemern (B G Teubner 1875; BookSurge Publishing reprint 2001) 376 pages.

Alan McWhirr: Roman Crafts and Industries (Shire Archaeology Series) (Shire Publications Ltd 1982) 62 pages.

David Sim & Isabel Ridge: Iron for the Eagles: Iron Ind. Roman Br (Arcadia Publishing 2004) 159 pages.

Donald Strong & David Brown (editors): Roman Crafts (New York University Press 1976) 256 pages.

Donald E Strong: Roman Crafts and Craftsmen (Gerald Duckworth & Co Ltd 1976).

Roger B Ulrich: Roman Woodworking (Yale University Press 2007) 400 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Cultures, Ancient]<[/size]

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_litera ... lturen.htm



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Engineering, Ancient]< (See Technology below.)[/size]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Environment, Ancient]<[/size]

J Donald Hughes: Pan's Travail: Environmental Problems of the Ancient Greeks and Romans (Johns Hopkins University Press 1996) 288 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Food, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Food, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_kueche.htm

Sally Grainger: Cooking Apicius: Roman Recipes for Today (Prospect Books UK 2006) 128 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Furniture, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Furniture, Roman]<

Alexandra T Croom: Roman Furniture (Tempus 2007) 176 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[General, Ancient]<[/size]


>[General, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_litera ... themen.htm



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Glass, Ancient]<[/size]


>[Glass, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_glas.htm



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Government, Ancient]<[/size]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[History, Ancient]<[/size]

http://www.antikefan.de/index.php
http://www.livius.org/
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/

>[History, Egyptian]<

Charlotte Booth: The Ancient Egyptians For Dummies (For Dummies 2007) 384 pages.

>[History, Greek]<

Eric D Nelson & Susan K Allard Nelson: The Complete Idiot's Guide to Ancient Greece (Alpha 2005) 416 pages.

>[History, Roman]<

Mary T Boatwright, Daniel J Gargola & Richard J A Talbert: A Brief History of the Romans (Oxford University Press USA 2006) 352 pages.

Mary T Boatwright, Daniel J Gargola & Richard J A Talbert: The Romans: From Village to Empire (Oxford University Press USA 2004) 544 pages.

Guy de la Bedoyere: The Romans For Dummies (For Dummies 2007) 464 pages.

Eric D Nelson: The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Roman Empire (Alpha 2001) 408 pages.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire
http://roman-empire.info/
http://www.empereurs-romains.net/ (Français)
http://www.gottwein.de/roge/rom_hist.php (Deutsch)
http://www.heritage-history.com/www/heritage.php
http://www.imperiumromanum.com/ (Deutsch)
http://www.imperium-romanum.it/IR/principale.asp (Italiano)
http://www.livius.org/rome.html
http://www.noctes-gallicanae.org/Rome/intro.htm (Français)
http://www.romaeterna.org/ (Italiano)
http://www.roman-empire.net/
http://www.roman-emperors.org/
http://www.unrv.com/ [/color]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Homes, Ancient]<[/size]

John R Clark: The Houses of Roman Italy, 100 B.C.-A.D. 250: Ritual, Space, and Decoration (University of California Press 1991) 450 pages.

Donatella Mazzoleni, Umberto Pappalardo & Luciano Romano: Domus: Wall Painting in the Roman House (Getty Publications 2005) 416 pages.

Alexander G McKay: Houses, Villas, and Palaces in the Roman World (Johns Hopkins University Press 1998) 288 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Jewellery, Ancient]<[/size]

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_schmuck.htm

Catherine Mary Johns: The Jewellery of Roman Britain (UCL Press 1996) 242 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Law, Ancient]<[/size]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Law, Ancient]<[/size]

Lionel Casson: Libraries in the Ancient World (Yale University Press 2001) 192 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Life, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Life, Egyptian]<

Lionel Casson: Everyday Life in Ancient Egypt (Johns Hopkins University Press revised & enlarged ed. 2001) 176 pages.

>[Life, Greek]<

Peter Connolly and Hazel Dodge: The Ancient City: Life in Classical Athens and Rome (Oxford University Press 2001) 265 pages.

>[Life, Roman]<

Lesley Adkins and Roy A Adkins: Handbook to Life in Ancient Rome (Oxford University Press USA 1998) 416 pages.

Jerome Carcopino: Daily Life in Ancient Rome. (original 1940; Yale University Press 2003) 368 pages.

Lionel Casson: Everyday Life in Ancient Rome (Johns Hopkins University Press revised & enlarged ed. 1999) 184 pages.

John R Clarke: Roman Life: 100 B.C. to A.D. 200 (Abrams Books 2007) 176 pages.

Peter Connolly: Pompeii (Oxford University Press USA 1994) 80 pages.

Peter Connolly and Hazel Dodge: The Ancient City: Life in Classical Athens and Rome (Oxford University Press 2001) 265 pages.

John F DeFelice: Roman Hospitality: The Professional Women of Pompeii (Shangri-La Publications 2001) 306 pages.

Nicholas Horsfall: The Culture of the Roman Plebs (Duckworth Publishers 2004) 160 pages.

Christiane Kunst: Leben und Wohnen in der roemischen Stadt (Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft Darmstadt 2008) 167 pages.

Ardle MacMahon and J Price: Roman Working Lives and Urban Living (Oxbow Books 2005) 288 pages.

Sally Pointer: The Artifice of Beauty: A History and Practical Guide to Perfume and Cosmetics (History Press 2005) 304 pages.

Jo-Ann Shelton: As The Romans Did: A Sourcebook in Roman Social History (Oxford University Press USA 2 ed. 1997) 512 pages.

Wolfgang Szaivert and Reinhard Wolters: Loehne Preise Werte. Quellen zur Roemischen Geldwirtschaft (Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft 2005) 376 pages.

Paul Veyne, Phillippe Aries & Georges Duby (editors); Arthur Goldhammer (translator): A History of Private Life, Volume I, from Pagan Rome to Byzantium (Belknap Press, Harvard University Press 1992) 704 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Mathematics, Ancient]<[/size]

William F Richardson: Numbering and Measuring in the Classical World (Bristol Phoenix Press, Univ of Exeter; Revised ed. 2004) 90 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Medicine, Ancient]<[/size]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Music, Ancient]<[/size]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Persons, Ancient]<[/size]

>[ Persons, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_personen.htm



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Religion, Ancient]<[/size]



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Romans in….]<[/size]

>[Romans in Great Britain]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_litera ... eringb.htm




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Science, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Science, Greek]<

G E R Lloyd: Early Greek Science: Thales to Aristotle (W W Norton & Company 1974) 174 pages

G E R Lloyd: Greek Science After Aristotle (W W Norton & Company 1975) 189 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Technology, Ancient]<[/size]

L Sprague De Camp: The Ancient Engineers (Ballantine Books 1995) 480 pages.

John W Humphrey: Greek and Roman Technology: A Sourcebook (Routledge 1997) 623 pages.

Peter James: Ancient Inventions (Ballantine Books 1995) 704 pages.

J G Landels: Engineering in the Ancient World, rev. ed (University of California Press 2000) 240 pages.

John Peter Oleson: The Oxford Handbook of Engineering and Technology in the Classical World (Oxford University Press 2008) 896 pages.

Abbott Payson Usher: A History of Mechanical Inventions, rev. Ed. (Dover Publications 1988) 461 pages.

K D White: Greek and Roman Technology (Aspects of Greek and Roman Life) (Cornell University Press 1984) 272 pages.


>[Technology, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_technik.htm

A Trevor Hodge: Roman Aqueducts and Water Supply 2nd. ed. (Duckworth Archaeology) (Duckworth Publishers 2002) 512 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Tools, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Tools, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_litera ... kzeuge.htm



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Trade, Ancient]<[/size]

Neville Morley: Trade in Classical Antiquity (Cambridge University Press 2007) 132 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Transportation, Ancient]<[/size]

Lionel Casson: The Ancient Mariners (Princeton University Press 2 ed. 1991) 299 pages.

Lionel Casson: Ships and Seamanship in the Ancient World (Johns Hopkins University Press 1995) 592 page.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Travel, Ancient]<[/size]

Lionel Casson: Travel in the Ancient World (Johns Hopkins University Press 1994) 408 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Water, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Water, Greek]<

Dora P Crouch: Water Management in Ancient Greek Cities (Oxford University Press USA 1993) 400 pages.

>[Water, Roman]<

A Trevor Hodge: Roman Aqueducts and Water Supply 2nd. ed. (Duckworth Archaeology) (Duckworth Publishers 2002) 512 pages.

Paolo Squatriti: Water and Society in Early Medieval Italy, AD 400-1000 (Cambridge University Press 2002) 207 pages.




[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Work, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Work, Roman]<

Vicki Leon: Working IX to V (Walker & Co 2007) 336 pages.



[size=125:1e0yoc06]>[Writing, Ancient]<[/size]

>[Writing, Celtic]<

H.R. Ellis Davidson: Myths and Symbols in Pagan Europe: Early Scandinavian and Celtic Religions (Syracuse Univ Press 1988).

>[Writing, Germanic/Scandinavian]<

H.R. Ellis Davidson: Myths and Symbols in Pagan Europe: Early Scandinavian and Celtic Religions (Syracuse Univ Press 1988).

>[Writing, Greek]<

Paul MacKendrick: The Greek Stones Speak: The Story of Archaeology in Greek Lands (WW Norton & Co 1979) A bit dated but still informative.

Reviel Netz & William Noel: The Archimedes Codex (Da Capo Press 2007).


>[Writing, Near Eastern]<

Dominique Collon: Near Eastern Seals: Interpreting the Past (Univ of CA Press 1990).

Harriet Crawford: Sumer and the Sumerians (Cambridge Univ Press 1991).

C.B.F. Walker: Cunieform: Reading the Past (Univ of CA Press 1987).

Yigael Yadin: Bar-Kokhba (Random House 1971).


>[Writing, Roman]<

http://www.roemischer-vicus.de/p_literatur_schrift.htm
AMDG
Wm. / *r
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