spartan sword?

[kilroyturner]

Hi I have been looking on the net and have not been able to find any pics of the real spartan short sword. Are there any pics of real ones at all. Is this close to what they would have looked like?
http://www.kultofathena.com/product~ite ... konian.htm

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Hi and wellcome. Nah,this is no similar...The hilt appears to hadve been like any other hoplite sword,but the blade was very short. A bit linger than 30 cm it seems. No real examples found,only depicted rarely in sculpture and there is that statue sword,a bit oversized. Do a search in the Greek section,I'm sure you'll find many interesting things...
Khaire
Giannis

PS.Could you please add your real name in your signature? It's a forum rule.

[Matthew Amt]

Agreed, that's NOT a very good one. I think it's the Windlass one, usually a good company to avoid. Hilts were usually a sandwich construction, with thin iron plates over bone or wood. The guard should be straight, not curved, and the grip and pommel are the wrong shape as well. Better to find something like what Manning Imperial makes:

http://www.manningimperial.com/item.php ... =1&c_id=14

http://www.manningimperial.com/item.php ... =1&c_id=14

Good luck and Khaire,

Matthew

[DanM]

Not a good product, it looks like stainless steel, but a good store for Greek stuff. For me they are especially good because they are local.

[kilroyturner]

Thanks for the advice on that! I am glad that I did not put in an order right now. I was looking also at the "early spartan helmet" and was wondering if that was a accurate looking helmet? http://www.kultofathena.com/product~ite ... Helmet.htm

[hoplite14gr]

Actually there are two samples in Museums. One in Sparta and one in Spain.
Look in this section. There is a thread on it.

Kind regards

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

This helmet is not bad. I've seen some that are nicer than others,and with just a bit reworking,like filing the eye holes and painting it,it becomes nicer. I actually prefer it to the older deepeeka corinthian.
Khaire
Giannis

[kilroyturner]

Thanks agian! I think that I will order it after all then. I am on a budget as of right now but would really like to get some of my kit togther without spending to much money. I guess that I will have to make some sort of liner for it to fit my head properly, if anyone has a link I would be most apreciative. Any other suggestions are also welcome

[Ceasar Augustus]

I'd try looking at some Manning Imperial stuff.

[kilroyturner]

I would love to have a manning imperial one anyday of the week. But I dont have the money to put into a 1000 dollar helmet! I am a historian on a budget!

[Ceasar Augustus]

Oh :lol: I am really low on cash too.

[Sage]

i bet i can get an answer from you guyz bout this but

it is to my understanding the greeks did not like to uses swords because they thought it was uncivilized...im probably mistaken but if you could give me an answer i would be greatly appreciated

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

I never heard of this...the primary source of this should have ben Homer,if this was the case,but he never mentions something similar...If you haven't read it in any ancient text,then it's probably wrong.
The sword was a secondary weapon.The primary one was of course the spear.We surely don't know excactly how and when the sword was prefered,i.e,only when the spear was broken? We asume that the spartan sword was most specialized for phalanx combat,due to its maneuverability and short length,but this is again speculation.
Khaire
Giannis

[hoplite14gr]

Greeks have no prejudice against swords.
Many left theit swordsmanship skills decline because it is very difficult if not impossible to charge with intent to stab with a short blade, a tight group of men who keep you at bay with sprears os pikes.

Kind regards

[Sage]

kool thanks fellas oh do you gentlemen and maybe ladies think that the reason hoplites began to decline in use (after alexander the great* because of their ,possible, larger preference of the spear than the sword? im just curious as to what yall think