Evropantiqva - Celtic and Germanic Reenacting

[garrelt]

The not yet Restored Sword from Woerden.

Link to a article about the Sword.
Sorry Dutch only.
http://tijlv.studentenweb.org/mt/archiv ... romei.html

[hephestus]

Looks like another Victorian fake, like the Toledo helmet.

It can be, but the iconographic evidence will attest life.
Vale

[sulla felix]

Here are the Batavian iron axe heads from Maren-Kessel/Lith.. Late 1st C BC early 1st C AD

These OK for a COH I BAT impression Ade? - serious bit of weaponry!

[Tarbicus]

Looks like another Victorian fake, like the Toledo helmet.

It can be, but the iconographic evidence will attest life.
Vale

You see, that's the problem. The only other helmet to so closely follow such evidence (the Toledo helmet) turned out to be a Victorian fake. Of all of the verified genuine found helmets from throughout the Empire, and remotely contemporary to such monuments, bear no resemblance at all to these styles as seen on Trajan's Column, etc, except the Adamklissi metopes. The only possible one is the Italic A which has a raised front that follows the so-called Attic style, including the curls at the temples, and a curved neck guard. Significantly, the front raised part (often referred to as the 'visor') is integral and raised, not separate.

What it comes down to is whether you believe the large scale monuments outside of Dacia represent reality and can be used as a reliable 'document'. Personally, I don't, but others do.

However, without a reliable provenance and find details, it seems to me to simply duplicate the circumstances of the Toledo helmet. It would take the above provenance details and a full metallographic/metallurgical analysis to convince me in any way that it's a genuine helmet. Ironically, the same can be said about the Niedermormter Guttman helmet, and that will always have a question mark over its authenticity (unless new evidence has come to light recently?).

It's just too good to be true IMHO.

[hephestus]

I agree with what you say. Consider that the work that we do is to rebuild of the fight and we aren't reenactors in detail.
The similarity with the iconography of the Trajan's Column we did create a helmet "probable" for a "mechanical" very good for experimentation.
Vale

Forgive me for my English but I do help from google translator

[M. Demetrius]

hock: The Toledo helmet is a fake?? :?: :!: 8)

[Tarbicus]

I agree with what you say. Consider that the work that we do is to rebuild of the fight and we aren't reenactors in detail.
The similarity with the iconography of the Trajan's Column we did create a helmet "probable" for a "mechanical" very good for experimentation.
Vale
Forgive me for my English but I do help from google translator

The English is good! I'm really glad you took it that way, because the helmets you made are very well done.

hock: The Toledo helmet is a fake?? :?: :!: 8)

Hmmmmmm... I'm sure I've mentioned it in passing before.....

[M. Demetrius]

:lol:

[Aurelianus]

if you are referring to the helmets I can give you the source of reference, if you are interested in this. (this is my reconstruction)

Consider that the work that we do is to rebuild of the fight and we aren't reenactors in detail.

I remember at some "great" words from your chief Dario Battaglia about the “badâ€

[hephestus]

I think it should definitely distinguish a faithful reconstruction arms and faithful reconstruction of athletic gesture in combat.
Moreover, I think we are moving the discussion from initial theme "Evropantiqva"and for this I apologise to Caturix, the administrator of the forum and other member.
It could open another topic.
Reenacting and experimental archaeology. It might be?
Maybe it will put some order in this long controversy
Valete

[garrelt]

Found this link through a swordforum.
http://membres.lycos.fr/bronzeage/