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There was a video clip of someone welding posted somewhere, but i suppose the colour discrepancy between monitors would make it of little use anyway?
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It's more easy, to us and to the romans to do Lilia instead tribuli.
Lilia (iris in english) are like the iris flower when it's born.
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But roman ones are some pointed wood put in the terrain.
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It's very dificult to see it.
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And more easy to do than a stimulus or tribulus. In a few minutes with a sharp knife you can do one, so in one hour a legion can do millions of them. :wink:
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Those things are still in use. A few years ago I lived in the Appalachian mountains of Virginia when there was a coal miners' strike. To harass scabs going to the mines and the police escorting them, they strewed small caltrops all over the roads to flaten tires. They made them out of nails and called them "jackrocks," apparently for their resemblance to children's jacks.
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This should be called : "Tribulus: tribulatios et troubles"
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Question 1): why did the Romans call them "tribuli"?
It has got four spikes! (the first D4?  hock: ) or for the three points in the earth?
Question 2): The Tribulus plant (trÃbulo -still- in Spanish) was named after it or it was otherwise? Has this spiky plant any particular characteristic?
I remember losing one some years ago in the Ludis Veleienses. Fortunately it dropped from a table to the grass beneath, so we were sure it wasn´t far away (and there wasn´t public walking UNDER the table). But it was F****ly well hidden :evil: . I missed one and half gladiator fight while looking it. :roll:
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Self-answer about the plant: Draw... hock:
"Tribulus Terrestris":
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article in Wikipedia
Named also "caltrop"...and the fruit is capable of puncturing bicycle tyres and hurting feets... :roll:
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I thougth the lilia was a wooden stake with a metal spike attached cesar?
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You are right, Byron. It is! Nasty little buggers, and they had them buried in little trip-pits, so they planted their lilia, so to speak.
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I believe caltrops were still being used as late as WW1 hock:
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The wooden stake with a metal spike are the stimuli.
The order (in Alesia's Caesar defending system): stimuli hidden by the vegetation, then the lilia and then the cippi, great tree branches sharpened and firmly inserted in the terrain. That cippi are over 3 roman feet (almost 90 cm)
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Yes your right cesar! 'individual sharpened stakes in round pits....lilies,
called this by the soldiers because of their shape', according to the complete roman armyby Goldworthy.
For some reason I had the image ofthe stimuli in my head with the name lilie, not sure where I got it from....thought it was in connelly's G&R at War, but couldn't find the image... :? oops: I need a holiday!
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The literal translation of stimuli are "stings", because bit like the bees stings.
The translation of cippi are "tombstones". No comment.
Very humouristic, that romans!
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Quote:Self-answer about the plant: Draw...hock:
"Tribulus Terrestris":
article in Wikipedia
Named also "caltrop"...and the fruit is capable of puncturing bicycle tyres and hurting feets... :roll:
Indeed I would not be surprised if the name were given to the metal objects because they do resemble the plant...
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Quote:I believe caltrops were still being used as late as WW1 hock:
WWII and later actually- there were ones made from steel tube so that they'd definitely deflate self-sealing tires...
And I believe that modern police 'spike strips' are simply updated analogs, so they're really STILL in use after 2300 years or more... Now THAT'S long-lived!
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Yes, in the wikipedia there are photos of one like that, hollow, so it will deflate the tyres, used by the OSS.
Also apears their use in Vietnam, and in the Caterpillar strikes in Illinois in the 90´s hock:
thanks to the later,
Quote:the state of Illinois passed a law making the possession of such devices a misdemeanor.
All this, according to Wikipedia.
BTW: They were an roman invention? :?:
Also is mentioned their use un Gaugamela (331 BC), according to Quintus Curtius (IV.13.36).
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Right- it was the Macedonian Greek-Persian 331BC reference I saw and where I got the 2300 years' use from :wink: Definitely not a Roman invention
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