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Leather belt construction
#46
Quote:But still I don't see how it exactly looks like. Really looking forward to the pics. Seems to be a good thing to see if I also can add this feature to my new belt

Basically they are of the same form as the cup washers as used on our pugio suspension loops Jurjen... Click to enlarge the pic...

http://www.armamentaria.com/store/index ... cts_id=104

If you have a doming block http://www.jewelsandtools.co.uk/product ... 310497.jpg these are very easy to make.

Quote:Here is a buckle you may like to make one day

we sell the oberstimm version!
http://www.armamentaria.com/store/index ... ucts_id=67
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#47
Quote:If you have a doming block http://www.jewelsandtools.co.uk/product ... 310497.jpg these are very easy to make.

What thickness of sheet would work best? 0.3mm or 0.5mm?

I assume the holes should be drilled before the circle is cut out and domed, correct?
Jef Pinceel
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#48
It doesn't need to be that thick at all Jef, 0.3mm will be quite adequate.

A hole punch like a Roper Whitney size 5 is best rather than drilling. For belts I use the imperial equivalent of 3.0mm for the rivet holes.

If you use the largest punch in the set to pop out the discs, you then change to the smaller punch to make the central holes, Quicker and cleaner than drilling and cutting circles out! :wink:

Then you dish them out in the doming block, but to be honest, they are naturally dished very slightly by the initial punching out anyway.
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#49
Jef. I suppose as Adrian says one could use a doming block, however it is better to have a block which has a hole right thro' it for you have to cut the dome away from the sheet of brass you are making it from. Then when you have created the tiny hemispherical dome it needs it's hole punched into it in order to create the countersink.
Brian Stobbs
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#50
I don't wish to be rude in any way but I don't think Adrian has understood fully just what a bellcap is, if we return to my earlier post where I have tried to explain the function of these things one may get a better understanding of them.
Brian Stobbs
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#51
Quote:Roper Whitney size 5 is best rather than drilling

I should really get one of those punches but I can't find a shop that sells these hand punches. Has anyone got an online source?

I found this one: http://www.frost-auto.nl/?p=productsMore&iProduct=478

But I don't know if it isn't overpriced...

Vale,
Jef Pinceel
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Marcvs Mvmmivs Falco

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#52
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=44060 been using this one for years :wink:
"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."


a.k.a. Paul M.
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#53
Quote:http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/di...mber=44060 been using this one for years :wink:

Paul, I sent you a PM :wink:
Jef Pinceel
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Marcvs Mvmmivs Falco

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#54
Don't you mean this tool?
[url:2iyrk7o4]http://www.suttontools.co.uk/acatalog/Disc_Cutting_Tools.html[/url]

I've several dooming blocks already and they're of good use Big Grin But until now I found such a Disc cutting tool a little bit too expensive.

@JEFF. I also can recommend you the harbor freight tool Paul suggest. I've it and, unless it came with an error in one of the dies (which of course to murphes law is the one you wanted to use most of the time) is one of my favorite tools.
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#55
Quote:I don't wish to be rude in any way but I don't think Adrian has understood fully just what a bellcap is, if we return to my earlier post where I have tried to explain the function of these things one may get a better understanding of them

These work for me Brian, just a different method of producing the same end result. but please... why don't you just post a photo. You talk endlessly about them - lets see some! A picture paints a thousand words as they say. :wink:

If you need to - send me an email with a photo attachment and I will post the image for you.
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#56
These links show a cavalry decorative crescent in my collection which has a bellcap still intact, in the side view it looks a little compressed however the leather is still there beneath it and is about 2 to 3mm thick and would have been cow hide.

http://www.northumberland-computers.com ... cap074.jpg
Brian Stobbs
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#57
Thanks Brian, I see now what you mean. I think I finally have to go and buy me a nice circular cutting tool. (but that would be next month untill I've the money for it)
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#58
Actually Ade, the technique Brian uses is part of the trick of these things.
Once you make the domed cap, to punch the hole which dimples the top back in too, and allows the rivedet to be peened neatly into it.
Works for various sizes, and you only need 2 steps.
1- Punch out a domed cap
2- Hole and counter sink

viola!
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#59
Jurjen. check your PM
Brian Stobbs
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#60
There is a modern washer that is a variation on this theme, but I can't remember it's name. It has a recessed flat area, but a raised rim. The rim protects the bolt head, for whatever reason. Good ideas stick around, it seems.
M. Demetrius Abicio
(David Wills)

Saepe veritas est dura.
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