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Equipment for LEG XI in Vespasian time
#16
Hello Patrik

The only certain evidence available for the size of a Roman military tunic is a papyrus document from Egypt now known as BGU1564 which dates from the mid second century AD. It describes the purchase of a tunic and cloaks and blankets for the army in Cappadocia.

The tunic dimensions in modern measurement are 1.55m long x 1.40m wide.

This of course is very large but some RAT members have made some successful attempts at reconstructing tunics of this size. Perhaps they might be kind enough to post pictures again.

Perhaps a tunic of this size was then altered to suit the individual and tunics like those found at Nahal Hever in Israel might be regarded as more normal. One example was 1.0m long x 1.15m wide.

Incidentally the sagum cloaks in BGU1564 were 2.66m long x 1.77m wide the same size as the blankets.

To date I have found no clear evidence for any first century tunics in blue, naval or otherwise however a tombstone of a cavalryman T. Flavius Draccus found in Austria had some blue paint surviving on the 'clothing' on his tombstone. Sadly this was one of the few tombstones which only showed a head and shoulders portrait so it is not clear if the blue garment is a tunic, cloak or scarf.

Many Roman period portraits of soldiers found in Egypt do show dark blue cloaks and there are also red, white and green cloaks either mentioned in Roman sources or shown in Roman art. However by far the most common colour is a yellow brown. In the first century AD the Paenula type cloak was more common but by the second century it was the sagum.

Graham.
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#17
Wow!!!!! Great!!!!!!

That are the very detailed informations I have been hoping for!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you very much!!!!! Laudes!
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Patrik Pföstl

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#18
I strongly suggest you buy the man's book frater :wink:

It really is the best source available for reenactors on clothing (for the moment).

The book isn't expensive: you can buy one in a good state for a bit less than 12euro, including shipping to Switzerland!

Take a look at this link (I've entered Switzerland as shipping destination):
http://www.fetchbook.info/compare.do?us ... mit=Update

And no I don't get paid for promoting the bookBig Grin . It has info on almost every type of Roman military clothing from the 1st century BC to the 2nd century AD. It clearly states what evidence is available. It remains very objective and allows you to draw your own conclusions.

Vale frater,
Jef Pinceel
a.k.a.
Marcvs Mvmmivs Falco

LEG XI CPF vzw
>Q SER FEST
www.LEGIOXI.be
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#19
Yes, Grahams books are great sources for roman clothing for any period!
I just wish I had the money to have some of them made! I used one of the books for my tunic pattern, taking it for the seamstress to use as a pattern, and am happy with what she did!

Thanks again Graham!
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
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Titus Flavius Germanus
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#20
Here's a thread that has plenty of discussion about tunics.

http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=4675
TARBICvS/Jim Bowers
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