For the late romans under us: pannonian hat on coin

[Lothia]

Ave,

Appreciate your help - again. I guess then that the locals, (Illyricans) were the original designers of those caps. I read they accquired their name from the word Pannus (rags) because they used to make patch-work clothing. Also that Pannonia was not an economically profitable area, its main export being wild animals. A hat of that design (it appears to be of fur) fits into the image created.

Thanks again.

Me.

[semperinvicto]

That is a GORGEOUS Probus, I'm gonna say, aureus? I love the plume (your avatar).

Yes Andrew, it's an aureus. The gold colour should be a strong hint!

I'm not going to post an image of the coin in a thread about Pannonian hats, but these so inclined can see it here on my Probus site:

http://probvs.info/probvs/R579/R579.html


Salvete!

[M. Demetrius]

When did the Pileus Panonnia begin to be worn by the Romans? Was it only in the East, or did it spread from there across the Western Empire, also?

[Natuspardo]

I'm assembling a database of Roman coin images that depict types showing military hardware.

Hello Crispus,
may I ask how far your work has proceeded? Its a great idea!

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

The helmet looks a lot like this to my eyes... could be wrong, but a similar style

[Marcus Julius]

Out of curiosity - what does the top of the hat look like?

Is it also fur? Is it flat across from the top of the sides, or is it dome shaped, being attached to the bottom of the sides?

[Robert Vermaat]

Same as the sides.

[Crispvs]

Byron,

I agree with you. That is exactly what I said earlier in the thread.

Crispvs

[M. Demetrius]

No one wants to tell me what century a "normal European" might have been likely to have worn a pannonian cap? 1st? 2nd? 3rd?

Fine, then, I shall remain ignorant of that factoid. :?

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Byron,

I agree with you. That is exactly what I said earlier in the thread.

Crispvs

so thats what they are called...lol

[Robert Vermaat]

No one wants to tell me what century a "normal European" might have been likely to have worn a pannonian cap? 1st? 2nd? 3rd?
Fine, then, I shall remain ignorant of that factoid. :?

My apologies, I did not see the question before.

While "abnormal Europeans" of course wore purple helmets with horns (sorry, couldn't resist), common civilians in the Empire could have worn the Pannonian cap long before the 3rd c. when they were Balkan herdsmen - it became a fashion probably during the 4th c.
Graham, I'm sure, can tell you much more about that.

[M. Demetrius]

Thanks. So not likely at all before the 3rd Cent in say, Spain or Britain, then. Unless someone just sewed one up (it's a pretty simple design, after all) and decided to wear it, probably in the rural areas.

[jc02005]

Thanks sseverus,I found that website very interesting.






May Thanks
johnathan

[M. Demetrius]

While "abnormal Europeans" of course wore purple helmets with horns

I have one of those! Only the purple is faded a little, and looks more mauve now. :lol:

[marsvigilia]

The Constantine coin does not really depict a hat at all. It is an over-sized sweatband. This coin was issued as part of a series designed to encourage Romans to participate more fully in physical fitness activities.

Other coins in the series depicted Constantine wrestling, lifting weights, skipping rope and riding an exercise bicycle. Unfortunately none of these are extant.