horse archer armour

[Praefectusclassis]

What explorer are you using? Is Java enabled? <p>Greets<br>
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Jasper</p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

I can use both Safari and Internet Explorer. How do I check for Java? <p></p><i></i>

[Praefectusclassis]

You on a MAC?<br>
They seem to have problems sometimes. <p>Greets<br>
<br>
Jasper</p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Yes<br>
Macintosh OS X <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Jasper<br>
Can you email to me a close up shot of the archer?<br>
[email protected] <br>
Thanks!<br>
Johnny <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

The Maris tombstone is also interesting in that it seem to show a soldier of oriental origin who served in Germany still wearing --at least on his stela-- iranian style costume. If you look at the legs you'll notice that they are unusually thick and that there is no indication of the calf muscles, making it look like the typical wide trousers --or chaps rather-- worn by the oriental cavalrymen.<br>
Given the name of the man, and the names of his brothers --Masicates and Tigranus-- his oriental origin is certain.<br>
Since his regiment was "Parthorum et Araborum", I think this could be considered as proof of some specialized units retaining their traditional dress. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antoninuslucretius@romanarmytalk>Antoninus Lucretius</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://lucretius.homestead.com/files/Cesar_triste.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 5/30/04 6:18 pm<br></i>

[Anonymous]

Antoninus<br>
I thought I was the only one who noticed that!! I think you are right about the baggy trousers. I wish the tombstones were in better shape so we could make out the details.<br>
Johnny <p></p><i></i>

[Praefectusclassis]

That's exactly the problem. The tombstone is so damaged, it's hard and dangerous to draw conclusions from it. See for instance the calo (servant) who is dressed in an ordinary way<br>
<p>Greets<br>
<br>
Jasper</p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Jasper<br>
Do you think that the archer is wearing regional trousers and the servant a normal tunic?<br>
Thanks <p></p><i></i>

[Praefectusclassis]

Try to look beyond just the picture guys:<br>
- The tombstone is quite early, 1st half of the first century AD. That makes it likely this unit was fresh in Germany and therefore local recruiting hadn't started much yet.<br>
- What you'd usually do is to try to find compatible tombstones from the same period and area (Mainz)You. Kinda difficult here, cause this type seems to be a one off. Though maybe Flavius Proclus could be related. <p>Greets<br>
<br>
Jasper</p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

How do you locally recruit a "German horsearcher"? Not really the German specialty! Maybe these archers would wear what they had until they needed new clothing(army issue)!<br>
Johnny <p></p><i></i>

[Vincula]

Quote:</em></strong><hr>Though maybe Flavius Proclus could be related.<hr><br>
Why? <em>Flavius</em> Proclus looks like second generation. <p></p><i></i>

[Praefectusclassis]

I meant designwise the tombstone could be related, but yeah, I'd realized his is a later one. Both are not your typical 'Riding horseman crushing barbarian' types. <p>Greets<br>
<br>
Jasper</p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

...Come to think of it, Acrabanis, son of Abibus (Habib?) and brother of Hanicus (Hannicus? As in Hanno or Hannibal?)doesn't seem to be a local either and he too belongs to an oriental regiment, the Itureans.<br>
However, this one doesn't seem to wear the oriental trousers.<br>
..And looking at the target it looks like he was good with a bow.<br>
As for the small "rondache" shield on his left forearm, the sculpture is really very, very damaged.. But the habit of carrying such a protection is attested on later early byzantine horse archers, if I'm not mistaken. <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

I didnt take any photos of the Maris figure when I was there a few years ago<br>
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but these are some notes I took- for what they are worth<br>
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servant has strap at r shoulder<br>
with quiver at back?<br>
holds strap with r hand<br>
in left hand holds 3 arrows?<br>
archer appears to be loosing 3 arrows at once<br>
archer has quiver on r side of horse<br>
no straps on horse apart from reins and bridle etc<br>
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possible saddle without horns has ge got stirrups?? </em><br>
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<img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/rider.gif" style="border:0;"/><br>
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<em> or is the whole a toeless boot?<br>
but note angle of riders leg it is straight out<br>
comapre with other riders- </em> <p><img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/mark.gif
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</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=vardulli>vardulli</A> at: 5/31/04 2:58 pm<br></i>