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Helmet Roman or Carthaginian?
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Quote:I would agree about the one on the left! Def Montefortino!

Montefortino helmets never had projecting lower rims like the one on the left, and they definitely never had crimped lower rims.

Quote:So how do you explain this depiction of Republican soldiers wearing this helmet type?

http://www.ribekatedralskole.dk/classic ... ldater.jpg

These are not even close to the helmet in the original post. The type of helmet in the OP is neither Thracian nor Attic, but is a unique and purely Hellenistic species. Those of you concerned with Hellenistic helmets should consult "Hellenistische Helme" by P. Dintsis, who is the Robinson of Hellenistic helmets.

Features always present in this species include:

-Flat projecting metal crest.
-Volutes on either side which meet in the front in an Attic-style peaked. band sitting above the visor (note how the helmet of the right-hand Ahenobarbus figure has volutes which form on either side of the front visor of the helmet itself, and not the band sitting above the visor).
-A visor which doesn't project too far but which sometimes has crimping near the ears and which changes into a shallowly curved neckguard.

Notable decoration which is found on some examples include:

-Horizontal "ribs" running around the top of the band and towards the rear of the helmet dividing the bowl from the neckguard.
-Oftentimes some sort of decoration (Gorgon, Athena, etc.) embossed above the peak of the frontal band, just below the forwardmost point of the crest.

Note that the Ahenobarbus soldier's helmet lacks the crucial flat metal crest as well as the "Attic" peaked band above the visor.

For those saying that this looks similar to Tribune helmets, could you please post some examples to illustrate what you mean?
Ruben

He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
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Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-14-2007, 06:23 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-14-2007, 07:00 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-14-2007, 07:04 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by MeinPanzer - 01-14-2007, 07:46 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by drsrob - 01-14-2007, 09:11 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-14-2007, 10:04 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-14-2007, 10:41 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Peroni - 01-14-2007, 11:56 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-15-2007, 12:00 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Peroni - 01-15-2007, 12:09 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-15-2007, 10:00 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Peroni - 01-15-2007, 01:00 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-15-2007, 01:33 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-15-2007, 02:34 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by MeinPanzer - 01-16-2007, 02:13 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-16-2007, 08:26 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-16-2007, 11:02 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-16-2007, 11:39 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-16-2007, 12:30 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-16-2007, 12:39 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-16-2007, 04:25 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by MeinPanzer - 01-16-2007, 06:09 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-16-2007, 06:45 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-16-2007, 07:13 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by MeinPanzer - 01-16-2007, 07:54 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-17-2007, 11:57 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-17-2007, 12:37 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by L C Cinna - 01-17-2007, 06:21 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Crispvs - 01-17-2007, 11:48 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by MeinPanzer - 01-18-2007, 03:17 AM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by Tarbicus - 01-18-2007, 03:39 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by MeinPanzer - 01-18-2007, 05:29 PM
Re: Helmet Roman or Carthaginian? - by MeinPanzer - 01-19-2007, 11:15 PM

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