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Star-signs!
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Quote:Ramesses. How are you sure your intense experience is not an artifact of your brain? People sensory experience and mental recontructions are not fool-proof. We do not posses objective and efficient sensors and we are certainly not passive and simply record an external world that displays itself to us like when we "passively" watch a film.

Actually the film metaphor a good example. Watching a film the spectators are more active than naively suspected. For one things they see a three dimensional world in a two dimensional screen. But they must also follow and then accept a story told by someone else that had to compose a sequence of images that had to "make sense". Bad films exist that convince nobody. Good films may have fans that see it dozens of times. Nothing objective nor passive, but a kind of conspiracy.

Never forget that our sense organs are very limited in performance and easily work bad if we are in an altered state due to hunger, thrist, lack of sleep, down right delusion (paranoia, assumption of drugs).

But we can go wrong even because of hypnosis, suggestion, manipuilation of information at all levels (prejudice, propaganda, commercials,...).
More in general never underestimate that our making sense of our imperfect perceptions does a lot of "filling in the gaps" and we desparately look for relationships, cause-and-effect just to name one. Our species has a real talent for inventing relationships to make sense of things. We need to. We must. Nothing will keep us from doing it. We are hardwired to do it.

So even if your experience is shockingly true to you it still doesn't make it true. Ask yourself again. How am I sure my experience is really true. If it seems true to you, is that enough? Are you really the best judge

It was no dream, it were no commercials or propaganda, suggestion or whatever. And certainly no hypnosis. I suggest you do it once, the regression. Then we'll talk again. Someone who hasn't done it yet can impossibly know what it's like. To you it is some sort of dream/fantasy/whatever. Well I can definitely say it is certainly not something like that.

Ever had a flashback to one of your past lives, in the middle of the day? A time I can't remember, but people who were there were quite amazed when (what they said: ) "I suddenly some kind of fainted and started to talk in a strange language to people who weren't there". I don't think you can make something up like that. Talking to a kid of the age of 8 in a classroom is not something you make up. And no I wasn't drunk or hadn't taken drugs...

Those experiences made me just believe more and more there was more than we humans are aware of. I know I'm not the best judge to myself, other people are. Other people who don't believe, but who have seen it. The man where I had the regression hadn't seen or heard me until I was there. The fact I can feel when there's something wrong with my friends or family, even though I haven't heard something of them, and when I arrive there seems to be something wrong. I've got a friend who hadn't got a bad moment for about two weeks, and suddenly he was very sad, for a reason the others who were with him right then couldn't figure out. Seemed to be that at that very moment his best friend had killed himself, a couple of kilometers further. It's not for nothing those things happen. Probably for you it is, probably to some stupid science-stuff is. To me, it isn't. To people over here who believe in those stuff, it isn't.

I guess we better leave it here, we're running around in circles.
a.k.a. Daan Vanhamme
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Star-signs! - by Spedius - 04-07-2006, 05:45 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Jeroen Pelgrom - 04-10-2006, 09:21 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Spedius - 04-10-2006, 09:51 AM
signs? - by Goffredo - 04-10-2006, 10:13 AM
Re: signs? - by Spedius - 04-10-2006, 10:19 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-10-2006, 11:42 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Thiudareiks Flavius - 04-11-2006, 12:14 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by FAVENTIANVS - 04-11-2006, 12:32 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-11-2006, 01:29 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-11-2006, 10:00 PM
science - by Caius Fabius - 04-11-2006, 10:11 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-11-2006, 11:08 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Thiudareiks Flavius - 04-12-2006, 01:20 AM
baloney detection list - by Goffredo - 04-13-2006, 10:56 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-13-2006, 03:49 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-14-2006, 01:41 AM
distinctions - by Goffredo - 04-14-2006, 07:03 AM
Re: distinctions - by Ramesses II - 04-14-2006, 11:05 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 04-14-2006, 11:50 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-14-2006, 12:08 PM
again questions - by Goffredo - 04-14-2006, 03:05 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-14-2006, 06:16 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 04-14-2006, 06:25 PM
Re: again questions - by Ramesses II - 04-14-2006, 10:35 PM
best wishes - by Goffredo - 04-15-2006, 06:34 AM
Re: best wishes - by Ramesses II - 04-15-2006, 07:24 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 04-16-2006, 10:17 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-16-2006, 11:58 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 04-17-2006, 12:13 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-18-2006, 11:45 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-19-2006, 04:10 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-22-2006, 01:42 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 04-22-2006, 11:49 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-26-2006, 12:26 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 04-27-2006, 01:57 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 04-27-2006, 02:14 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 04-27-2006, 02:06 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-27-2006, 04:35 PM
wonders of the human mind - by Goffredo - 04-27-2006, 05:29 PM
Re: wonders of the human mind - by Ramesses II - 04-27-2006, 09:59 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 04-27-2006, 10:25 PM
right and wrong - by Goffredo - 04-28-2006, 07:49 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 04-28-2006, 08:01 AM
Re: right and wrong - by Ramesses II - 04-28-2006, 03:22 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-28-2006, 03:23 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Matt Lukes - 04-28-2006, 06:18 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by hoplite14gr - 04-28-2006, 07:04 PM
Re: right and wrong - by Dan Howard - 04-28-2006, 09:42 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-29-2006, 12:03 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Ramesses II - 04-29-2006, 01:42 PM
five sense worth - by Goffredo - 04-29-2006, 04:30 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 04-29-2006, 09:46 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 04-29-2006, 09:49 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 04-29-2006, 10:29 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 04-29-2006, 10:43 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 04-29-2006, 11:20 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 04-30-2006, 01:40 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 04-30-2006, 02:15 AM
Re: five sense worth - by Ramesses II - 05-01-2006, 08:45 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 05-02-2006, 04:16 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Magnus - 05-02-2006, 06:02 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 05-02-2006, 09:05 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Magnus - 05-02-2006, 09:38 PM
common sense not good enough - by Goffredo - 05-03-2006, 10:30 AM
metaphorical story - by Goffredo - 05-03-2006, 11:16 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Peroni - 05-03-2006, 01:17 PM
Re: common sense not good enough - by Dan Howard - 05-05-2006, 12:38 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 05-05-2006, 07:06 AM
a chance to argue for believers - by Goffredo - 05-05-2006, 11:16 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 05-06-2006, 08:57 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 05-08-2006, 12:10 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by tlclark - 05-08-2006, 01:46 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 05-08-2006, 07:34 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by tlclark - 05-08-2006, 11:44 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Tarbicus - 05-09-2006, 06:57 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by tlclark - 05-09-2006, 12:32 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Goffredo - 05-09-2006, 12:33 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by tlclark - 05-09-2006, 01:45 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 05-10-2006, 03:42 PM
taking it personally???? - by Goffredo - 05-10-2006, 05:39 PM
Re: taking it personally???? - by Robert Vermaat - 05-10-2006, 11:23 PM
Re: taking it personally???? - by tlclark - 05-12-2006, 07:07 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 05-12-2006, 09:35 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 05-12-2006, 10:00 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by tlclark - 05-13-2006, 01:47 AM
Re: Star-signs! - by Dan Howard - 05-13-2006, 12:06 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2006, 12:10 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 05-13-2006, 12:12 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 05-13-2006, 12:16 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 05-13-2006, 12:28 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Arthes - 05-13-2006, 12:37 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Sandra/Viventia - 05-13-2006, 01:30 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2006, 03:32 PM
Re: Star-signs! - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2006, 03:33 PM

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