10-23-2009, 01:40 AM
Okay, I'm starting to come around! More photos of the sides of nasals still don't do it for me (sorry, Stefanos!), because there's no way to be sure how that edge is achieved, but the descriptions from Giannis and Christian, and Paul's measurements, are convincing me. However, I still maintain that at least that one helmet in Philadelphia has a THIN nasal with an edging, either turned back or applied! There's a gap that you can see through easily. Thin metal. SO there was clearly more than one way to make these things (geez, assuming that one in Philly isn't a fake or bad restoration!!).
Once again, the ancient Greeks have decided that even the most difficult helmet in history to reproduce is still too easy, so they had to make it even harder...
Some sheet bronze items from the Bronze Age have pieces apparently cast onto them, such as handle loops on buckets, or crest knobs on some helmets. Apparently the sheet metal part was done first, then a wax model of the piece to be cast fixed in place, clay applied, etc., and the cast part is poured directly in place on the sheet metal. Boggles the mind, and I don't know if anyone has actually tried this for things like that. Is it possible that's what we're seeing here? I don't know if it would lead to seams visible by x-ray, or what. Just grasping at straws.
Well, I always said I love finding things that prove us all wrong! Now I get to replace my helmet, too, as well as my shield, my linothorax, my sword... Stupid hobby... (grump grump grump)
Thanks, folks! Great research.
Matthew
Once again, the ancient Greeks have decided that even the most difficult helmet in history to reproduce is still too easy, so they had to make it even harder...
Some sheet bronze items from the Bronze Age have pieces apparently cast onto them, such as handle loops on buckets, or crest knobs on some helmets. Apparently the sheet metal part was done first, then a wax model of the piece to be cast fixed in place, clay applied, etc., and the cast part is poured directly in place on the sheet metal. Boggles the mind, and I don't know if anyone has actually tried this for things like that. Is it possible that's what we're seeing here? I don't know if it would lead to seams visible by x-ray, or what. Just grasping at straws.
Well, I always said I love finding things that prove us all wrong! Now I get to replace my helmet, too, as well as my shield, my linothorax, my sword... Stupid hobby... (grump grump grump)
Thanks, folks! Great research.
Matthew
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