02-25-2007, 09:48 PM
Beware of confusing the then-current residents of a geographical area with future or even modern residents. As Mitra points out above, the Dal Raida tribe, progenitors of the Scots, started settling in the southwestern part of what is now Scotland a hundred years or more after the last legions left Britannia.
Geoffry Ashe (The Quest of Arthur's Britain, Academy, 1994, p. 30) states, "In the west, the shores were harassed by the Irish tribes whom the Romans called Scots, after one of their chief groups which had not yet settled in Caledonia. (emphasis added)
Tom Cahill's How the Irish Saved Civilization (Doubleday, 1995, p.185) likewise refers to Dalriada as covering "Irish Scotland and part of Ulster."
There were also "Irish" kingdoms in what is now Wales, including what became Dyfed in the southwest, descendents of "the Demetea, although ruled by an Irish dynasty during the late Roman period." (Angus Konstan, Historical Atlas of the Celtic World, Checkmark, 2001, p. 78 ) "Gwynedd was based around the territories of the Ordovices, and was named after its ruling Dynasty." (ibid.) Other sources refer to the "Irish kingdom of Gwynedd."
Sorry this doesn't add directly to answering the original question, but it's a response to the responses. :wink:
Geoffry Ashe (The Quest of Arthur's Britain, Academy, 1994, p. 30) states, "In the west, the shores were harassed by the Irish tribes whom the Romans called Scots, after one of their chief groups which had not yet settled in Caledonia. (emphasis added)
Tom Cahill's How the Irish Saved Civilization (Doubleday, 1995, p.185) likewise refers to Dalriada as covering "Irish Scotland and part of Ulster."
There were also "Irish" kingdoms in what is now Wales, including what became Dyfed in the southwest, descendents of "the Demetea, although ruled by an Irish dynasty during the late Roman period." (Angus Konstan, Historical Atlas of the Celtic World, Checkmark, 2001, p. 78 ) "Gwynedd was based around the territories of the Ordovices, and was named after its ruling Dynasty." (ibid.) Other sources refer to the "Irish kingdom of Gwynedd."
Sorry this doesn't add directly to answering the original question, but it's a response to the responses. :wink:
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