Re: Lorica segmentata from Caerleon

[PhilusEstilius]

Moi.

I have it now after looking at the pic' before the xray ones, sorry about that mate.
The interesting thing is that chain and if it is fixed to the larger stud, then where you mention about the upper side of it to show how it looks. It gives the impression that the pin of it may not be cast integral with it, for there is a little mark centre of the stud that may be the pin that holds the bellcap and if also the chain.

[PhilusEstilius]

The shank of that larger disc stud is of course square as many Roman stud pins were, however what would be nice to know is just how high is that bellcap away from the underside of the disc stud.
I would say just as an estimate around 4 to 5mm to the bottom of the bellcap lower edge, where there would have been room for leather and the chain.
This then becomes just a little difficult to understand for bellcaps are meant to bite into leather to hold the studs on it, so can it be that the chain was on the outside of the leather garment and the bellcap of course on the underside but why a chain and for what use.
Then those smaller studs only look to be about 2 to 3mm dia' heads that are very much the same as on chamfrons such as the Vindolanda and Trimontium types, I do think that these smaller studs were all cast objects for this would be the quicker and easier way to produce them.

[Vindex]

Very interesting as usual, Brian.

I am also particularly intersted in the large stud and particularly how the chain is attached.

On first sight of the chain my immediate thought was "curb chain" and I'll be doing a little more digging on that (if you pardon the pun!) So your comment about the chain being on the outside of the leather is very pertinent (to me anyway).

I'll see if I can find out what the length of the squared piece you mention is.

[Robert Vermaat]

Just bumping this up again in case people have missed it.

Moderators: would it be possible to have the discussion on this peice of equipment (whatever it is) seperated out from the LS - PLEASE...pretty please?

Moi, I have no idea what you are discussing (hence the 'mysterous' title of the new thread), but happy to oblige. If more posts need to go here, plaese inform me which?

[Vindex]

Thank you Robert

From page seven of the Lorica Segmentata thread to where you've already removed the posts would be great as that's where the new discussion starts.

Perhaps Mystery Armour from Caerleon would be a good title as there isn't sufficient evidence (yet) to call it the Chamfrom from Caerleon :wink:

[PhilusEstilius]

I wonder if we might be looking at a horse Barding or Peytral along with also a chamfron ???

[john roberts]

I'm not seeing any link.

[PhilusEstilius]

The link has been left behind on the Lorica segmentata from Caerleon it does need also to be transfered for study of it in relation to the new topic subject.

[Vindex]

Here it is again to make it easier...

http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/blog/

[PhilusEstilius]

It's not exactly the same as we have lost the pic's of the chain.

[Vindex]

It's not exactly the same as we have lost the pic's of the chain.

There's a link under the last photo which essentially says click to show more...they're all there.

[PhilusEstilius]

I'm sorry about that missed it Moi

[Robert Vermaat]

OK, I added all posts from the past months to this topic, and removed the redundant ones from yesterday.

[mcbishop]

and removed the redundant ones from yesterday.

[strike]Redacted is a good word too[/strike] :grin:

But where has the thread with Lorica Segmentata in the title (and all those links to the brilliant blog) gone, now that – alien-like – the chamfron thingy has emerged grinning from its pulsating body cavity?

Mike Bishop

[Vindex]

It has fallen a way back on the listings as the original post was early last year.

I keep track of these things through 'My Topics' and it's here:

http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat.html?fu...&id=272660