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Re: Did Rome just fade away in her last years? - hoplite14gr - 05-07-2006
To clear a few things if I may:
Mt Athos is NOT autonomous republick but semi-autonomous Greek province. Greek church flies the 2-headed eagle as heir to Byzantine tradition. Travis is right about internal attrition there.
2-headed eagle was symbol of byzantine princeses
I) Elleni Aggelina of Ipiros married to the counts of Styria, hence the black 2-headed eagle of the Hapsburgs.
II) Anna who married prience Igor of Kiev and cristianized the Rus, hence the golden 2-headed eagle of the Romanofs. Anna was princess of the Romans (Byzantnes) so in slavic it is Anna Romanova.
The Russians called themselves 3rd Rome in the 15th century by refusing to accept the union of the Churches and claiming that the Byzantines had betrayed Orthodoxy.
Both Hapsburgs and Romanofs would propagandise their "Roman" heritage if it suited their political objectives
So it is a matter of how you look at it as many claimed.
Just my two pennies worth.
Kind regards
Re: Did Rome just fade away in her last years? - tlclark - 05-08-2006
Quote:I can assure you that no Roman citizen had any idea that the Western Empire ended in 476 or in 480 when Julius Nepos died.
For the citizens of Constantinople it was quite different...
I love Averil Cameron's intro to "Late Antiquity"
To paraphrase....In 476, nothing happened.
If Clovis is celebrating a triumph a hundred years later it's hard to say what if anything changed.
Travis
Re: Did Rome just fade away in her last years? - tlclark - 05-08-2006
Quote:To clear a few things if I may:
Mt Athos is NOT autonomous republick but semi-autonomous Greek province.
Ask the monks that question! Some of the monasteries don't even recognize Patriarch Bartholomew!!
I would say that you are technically correct but my diamonitirion is very clear, it says "The Republic of the Monks of Mt. Athos". - so the Greek gov't can call it what it likes but I know how the monks feel about it.
Thanks for the clarification on the flag!
Re: Did Rome just fade away in her last years? - Gaius Honorius Felix - 05-08-2006
So the roman empire still lives?
Re: Did Rome just fade away in her last years? - hoplite14gr - 05-08-2006
Quote:hoplite14gr:299b4v5g Wrote:To clear a few things if I may:
Mt Athos is NOT autonomous republick but semi-autonomous Greek province.
Ask the monks that question! Some of the monasteries don't even recognize Patriarch Bartholomew!!
I would say that you are technically correct but my diamonitirion is very clear, it says "The Republic of the Monks of Mt. Athos". - so the Greek gov't can call it what it likes but I know how the monks feel about it.
Thanks for the clarification on the flag!
AFAIK it is AFTONOMI KOINOTIS (community) not DIMOKRATIA (democracy).
Patriarch of Konstabdinopolis (Bartolomiew now) is spiritual leader as a compromise from 1912 when the Greek army liberated the area from the Turks and the teritory was lost for his adminstration.
As long as the monks do not embarass the authorities they can be as loudmouthed as they like.
Kind regards
Re: Did Rome just fade away in her last years? - Robert Vermaat - 05-08-2006
Quote:So the roman empire still lives?In a way, sure! I mean, look at us and what time/money we invest in it...
Re: Did Rome just fade away in her last years? - Robert Vermaat - 05-08-2006
Quote:To paraphrase....In 476, nothing happened.A hundred years after 476? Quite the achievement since he died in 511.. :twisted:
If Clovis is celebrating a triumph a hundred years later it's hard to say what if anything changed.