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"Troy" is gonna suck! - Daniel S Peterson - 06-21-2003
In the latest Newsweek Magazine (June 16th) one can see Brad Pitt as "Achilles" on location in Malta, attired in goofy armor that looks right out of an episode of Xena - Warrior Princess. What a shame, Wolfgang Petersen "got it right" so well in Das Boot, one would have thought some attempt, at least, would have been made for "Troy" to have historically accurate armor and costumes.<br>
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Re: "Troy" is gonna suck! - rekirts - 06-21-2003
Brad Pitt??? *sigh*<br>
By the way, that is a sigh of RESIGNATION.<br>
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Wendy <p></p><i></i>
Bradchilles - John Maddox Roberts - 06-21-2003
Saw the pic. I thought it looked like something from "Flash Gordon" circa 1939, sort of Greek Deco. Looks like they're going for the fantasy look. <p></p><i></i>
Re: Bradchilles - Anonymous - 06-22-2003
but what would be "authentic" in this case? The armory during the period around 1200 or 800 - the time of Homer - or the archaic and classical ages, where most of the illustrations on vases come from? After all the story is a mixture of real historical events and mythology.... (at least if you compare it to the plot forthe Alexander-movies).<br>
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It\'s good to talk - Catiline - 06-22-2003
<img src="http://www.thezreview.co.uk/images/PH_TROY-03.JPG"/><br>
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Nice boots <p></p><i></i>
Re: It\'s good to talk - Gaius Decius Aquilius - 06-22-2003
Is this a Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin off? I dont know who the chick in the above pic is, but Buffy would be a better Helen.<br>
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Re: It\'s good to talk - Daniel S Peterson - 06-22-2003
Actually we know a great deal more about that period since the making of "Helen of Troy". We now know that the legend of Achilles being invulnerable every place but his heel, may be attributed to his wearing a full body armor like the near-contemporary Dendra Panalopy. Homer mentions boars tusks helmets, and archaeology has proven them as well for the period.<br>
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Too bad nobody sent Wolfgang a copy of Connolly's, Legend of Odysseus. I tried actually, but big Hollywood people are totally insulated from we common rabble it is near impossible to contact them.<br>
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Ironically, I am now working with Deepeeka on a number of authentic Trojan war items, but they will be so different from the 'trash' in this film, the effort will be nearly pointless.<br>
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Re: It\'s good to talk - Jeroen Pelgrom - 07-01-2003
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the horror, the horror...<br>
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another hollywood movie which takes a rather liberal view at history. If only they would read some books.<br>
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oh well, at least it will stimulate interest in ancient history, which is a good thing anyway. <p></p><i></i>
Troy always sucked........ - Anonymous - 07-10-2003
And no film or Xena Spinn-off can change that!!!<br>
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Not even Brad in his silly costume which reminds me more of a fetish party thing or even the Stargate stuff....<br>
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(well at least they looked better wearing it)<br>
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Troy was sacked for a reason by the Greeks....<br>
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it never was rebuilt........ for a reason......<br>
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and wether or not it was hissarlik in Turkey, one of the 15..... or wherever it lay.....<br>
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let it be buried, and remain buried........<br>
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By the way... had Brad worn this!!! instead:<img src="http://whoa.femail.com/hoplite/Walpole.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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It Would have been much more correct!!!!!!! and better looking too!! (though some discussion remains on what way the Crest should be pointing, since in connoly's drawing it points the opposite way..)<br>
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regds...... hehehehehe<br>
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Re: - Anonymous - 07-10-2003
I don't think the audience (a part from a few) would really like to see this rather authentic armor in a movie (just like nobody wants to see Montefortino-helmets, too). <p></p><i></i>
Well............. - Anonymous - 07-11-2003
There one day will be afilmmaker who will do it correctly.... with a new project...<br>
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might even be the VIROGO team... hehehehe<br>
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www.virogo.com <br>
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check it out...<br>
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regds..<br>
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M.VIB.M. <p></p><i></i>
Re: Well............. - rekirts - 07-11-2003
Authentic or not...that guy reminds me of the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.<br>
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Wendy <p></p><i></i>
re: - Anonymous - 07-11-2003
if you think that "Troy" sucks then I guess you shouldn't look at the pics from a new movie about King Arthur:<br>
www.thezreview.co.uk/news/news1086.htm <p></p><i></i>
Re: Dendra vs Xena - Anonymous - 07-30-2003
Why wouldn't want the public see authentic stuff? I think the correct Dendra armour looks quite SF....and is as fotogenic as the Xena stuff anyway. And in Gladiator they even showed metal like armour an other more authentic details for the roman army (although they messed up with the gladiator outfits). Hollywood prooved anyway that it can learn, however slowly...<br>
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Re: Dendra vs Xena - Thiudareiks Flavius - 07-30-2003
US wrote:<br>
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Quote:</em></strong><hr>And in Gladiator they even showed metal like armour an other more authentic details for the roman army (although they messed up with the gladiator outfits).<hr><br>
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I noticed the messed up gladiator outfits - they were pretty hard to miss. But I definitely missed the 'metal-like armour' on the Roman troops. To me it looked like brown- plastic-trying-to-look-like-leather-segmentata. The helmets were weird, the "tactics" were non-existent, everyone wore these weird cravat thingies around their necks, the tunics had long sleeves, <em>pila</em> were used clamped under soldiers' arms, the cavalry had stirrups (and medieval chamfrons on their horses) etc etc etc.<br>
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There may have been some authentic stuff in that mess, but it was swamped by the Hollywoodisms.<br>
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And I forgot to mention the inevitable Hollywood Roman arm-guards - which seem to have appeared in every Roman movie ever made, for no readily apparent reason. <p>Tim O'Neill / Thiudareiks Flavius<br>
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