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Re: Corbridge Hoard - Gaius Colletti - 08-28-2011
Sorry Vindex, I don't have any PM's from you.
Dr. Bishop, thanks for the pictures. So are all the pieces part of a display? I have seen some pictures what I thought was part of the Newstead cuirass, imposed on top of a set of reconstruction segmentata, so that people could see how the individual pieces fit into the cuirass. Which I thought was cool (naturally the pieces look more impressive together than seperated).
Re: Corbridge Hoard - Titus Marius Secundus - 08-28-2011
Sorry I haven't seen ur reply until now Matt, I am gonna check up on it now, thanks!
Sam
Re: Corbridge Hoard - Vindex - 08-28-2011
Thanks Matt - I've raised it under RAT issues as this is the second one that has failed so far.
I'll try again...
Edited to Add: the PM still seems to be failing and there is no response yet from Jasper on the faults thread so I'll have to do it this way.
I one or two more photos but they're a bit fuzzy. I was using my camcorder to take stills and got to close I thnk. You're welcome to see them if you want to. email me at [email protected]
Re: Corbridge Hoard - mcbishop - 08-28-2011
Quote:Dr. Bishop, thanks for the pictures. So are all the pieces part of a display? I have seen some pictures what I thought was part of the Newstead cuirass, imposed on top of a set of reconstruction segmentata, so that people could see how the individual pieces fit into the cuirass. Which I thought was cool (naturally the pieces look more impressive together than seperated).Some of the pieces are on display in the Great North Museum in Newcastle upon Tyne and some of the others used to be on display at Corbridge Roman Site Museum but that is currently being reorganised so there was nothing there last time I visited. The Newstead display you are thinking of is what used to be in the National Museum of Scotland when it was in Queen Street (many years ago now, but preserved in a number of online photos).
Mike Bishop
Re: Corbridge Hoard - markusaurelius - 08-29-2011
Quote:I shudder to think what you'll make of the Corbridge-type fittings from 4th-century contexts at León!
Am I the only one who's eyeball popped out when I read this? Mike can you shed some more light on this?
Re: Corbridge Hoard - jkaler48 - 08-29-2011
Obsolete equipment held in reserve? For hundreds of years? We fly nearly 60 year old bombers!
Re: Corbridge Hoard - Robert Vermaat - 08-29-2011
Quote:Maybe. :wink: In Spain we have some really late segmentata finds, which throws a nice spanner in the wheels of the 'smooth evolution' theory which had the segmentata phased out by the late 3rd century.Quote:I shudder to think what you'll make of the Corbridge-type fittings from 4th-century contexts at León!Am I the only one who's eyeball popped out when I read this? Mike can you shed some more light on this?
Of course, we already knew that the Roman army was not comparable to a modern army - development of arms and armour was not uniform across the empire, and 'supposedly obsolete' material could not only remain in use for a long time, production did not uniformly halt all of a sudden when new types of helmets, swords and armour were introduced elsewhere.
It's always a bit of an eye-opener for us modern folks, who are used to 'old' material being repalced by 'new' material all at once. For me it was the realisation that 'old-style' ranks (centurian, decurion etc.) continued in use in 'old-style' units next to 'new' ranks such as an ordinarius and a primicerius, for centuries.
Re: Corbridge Hoard - Crispianus - 08-29-2011
Greetings, heres a reference taken from wikipeadia..
A legionary workshop of the 3rd century AD specialising in loraicae segmentatae from the fortress in Leon (Spain) by Joaquin Aurrecoechea & Fernando Munoz Villarejo; Journal of Roman Military Equipment Studies, Vol. 12/13
bit of a mouthfull but Should be easy enough to find :wink:
Re: Corbridge Hoard - Nathan Ross - 08-29-2011
This thread has a link to a pdf paper (in Spanish, but with a few pictures) about the Leon armour:
Lorica Segmentata paper in Spanish
Perhaps the Leon finds are actually the remains of a Roman Army Museum, where the modern legionaries of the 4th century went to laugh at the rattly old gear their grandfathers wore? :wink:
Re: Corbridge Hoard - mcbishop - 08-29-2011
Quote:In Spain we have some really late segmentata finds, which throws a nice spanner in the wheels of the 'smooth evolution' theory which had the segmentata phased out by the late 3rd century.With so little data to work from we are doomed to over-simplify and generalise. Just as Kalkriese proved the Corbridge type did not suddenly burst into existence in the 1st century AD, so that earlier form must have had a genesis somewhere before its earliest finds (at Dangstetten, which could easily have been old when deposited); we just haven't found it.
Just one of the things that makes segmentata studies so interesting: watching the story unfold.
Mike Bishop
Re: Corbridge Hoard - markusaurelius - 08-30-2011
Interesting stuff. I guess I missed that discussion two years ago :-)
I makes sense though, when you consider that the Empire was so vast and distant, and the mode of communication was only as fast as a horse or ship. I could see some Spanish unit up in the mountains defending the passes being "left behind" to the developments and changes of the main field army. Especially if you did not see extensive combat where armor would get significant wear and tear. I'm sure that constant oiling and care on a piece of armor could make it last for hundreds of years as it pass down from Father to son.