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Roman Camp on the Septimer - Helveticus Palatinae - 08-08-2008
Hi all together,
On Tuesday I was in the alps and visited an excavation at the top of the septimer pass (2300 m). There has been found a roman camp with a wall ("Rasensoden-Wall"), traces of tents and a lot of military equipment.
The camp belongs to the augustan time and has to be connected with the so called "Alpenfeldzug" 15 BC.
I think, that should be the highest Roman Camp ever found.
Greetings, Eckhard
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Publius Aelius Lucius - 08-08-2008
very interesting 8) ?: on a university site.... :?:
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Hibernicus - 08-08-2008
This article references Septimer Pass...
www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/20 ... gesamt.pdf
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - caiusbeerquitius - 10-26-2009
Two articles from the Bavarian Academy of Sciences
[url:1x6t524g]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2006/heft3/06_Zanier.pdf[/url]
[url:1x6t524g]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2009/heft1/26_Zagermann.pdf[/url]
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-28-2009
Interesting site guys. Are there any English translations of these? They look to befull of facinating info!
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - D B Campbell - 10-28-2009
Wow -- the camps just keep coming!
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - jkaler48 - 11-02-2009
Quote:Two articles from the Bavarian Academy of Sciences
[url:2kmkobu0]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2006/heft3/06_Zanier.pdf[/url]
[url:2kmkobu0]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2009/heft1/26_Zagermann.pdf[/url]
In the second article it describes a group of iron pegs as tent pegs (I think) It looks like they were found together. In the past some have maintained that others like these could just as well have been cavalry picket pins. Does this find now tilt the evidence towards tent pegs?
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Helveticus Palatinae - 11-02-2009
Yes I think so. For me it is more plausible to use those items as tent pigs as to use them for cavalry
Greetings, Eckhard
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - szaboa_22 - 11-02-2009
Was this a temporary camp or a permanent fortlet?
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Helveticus Palatinae - 11-02-2009
It was a temporary camp but was used for some years in augustan time.
The roman army used it for to rest some days on their way over the alps. In wintertime it was impossible to stay in that region
Greetings, Eckhard
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - szaboa_22 - 11-02-2009
Is it not possible that they were also used as horse attachment pins and perhaps also as marks for agrimensores? (The latter sounds quite improbable, but who knows...?)
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Gaius Julius Caesar - 11-02-2009
I often wondered about the passages the Romans used to travel through the Alps on their campaigns north.
Would this be the same route Caesar used on his invasion?
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - caiusbeerquitius - 11-02-2009
The Septimer is the highest and most difficult of the Alpine passes, but also the shortest (N/S). The rest is guesswork.
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Gaius Julius Caesar - 11-02-2009
Well, on that basis, he definately used that route.... 8) just seems fitting.
Re: Roman Camp on the Septimer - Centurio - 11-04-2009
What is particular interesting is the evidence for the legions - III, X and XII.
XII is undoubtedly the XII Fulminata.
If legio X Gemina was involved in Cantabrian War of 25-13 BC in Spain it is more probably that legio X Fretensis participated in Alpine War of 15 BC.
More difficult to recognise which one of III legions left its slingshots on the Septimer - III Augusta, III Cyrenaica or III Gallica?