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Roman Camp on the Septimer
#1
Hi all together,
On Tuesday I was in the alps and visited an excavation at the top of the septimer pass (2300 m). There has been found a roman camp with a wall ("Rasensoden-Wall"), traces of tents and a lot of military equipment.
The camp belongs to the augustan time and has to be connected with the so called "Alpenfeldzug" 15 BC.
I think, that should be the highest Roman Camp ever found.
Greetings, Eckhard
Eckhard Deschler-Erb
University of Zurich
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#2
very interesting 8) ?: on a university site.... :?:
Martin Müllauer

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#3
This article references Septimer Pass...

www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/20 ... gesamt.pdf
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#4
Two articles from the Bavarian Academy of Sciences
[url:1x6t524g]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2006/heft3/06_Zanier.pdf[/url]

[url:1x6t524g]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2009/heft1/26_Zagermann.pdf[/url]
Christian K.

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#5
Interesting site guys. Are there any English translations of these? They look to befull of facinating info!
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#6
Wow -- the camps just keep coming!
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#7
Quote:Two articles from the Bavarian Academy of Sciences
[url:2kmkobu0]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2006/heft3/06_Zanier.pdf[/url]

[url:2kmkobu0]http://www.badw.de/aktuell/akademie_aktuell/2009/heft1/26_Zagermann.pdf[/url]


In the second article it describes a group of iron pegs as tent pegs (I think) It looks like they were found together. In the past some have maintained that others like these could just as well have been cavalry picket pins. Does this find now tilt the evidence towards tent pegs?
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#8
Yes I think so. For me it is more plausible to use those items as tent pigs as to use them for cavalry
Greetings, Eckhard
Eckhard Deschler-Erb
University of Zurich
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#9
Was this a temporary camp or a permanent fortlet?
Bene rem geratis et dormiatis sine qura!
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#10
It was a temporary camp but was used for some years in augustan time.
The roman army used it for to rest some days on their way over the alps. In wintertime it was impossible to stay in that region
Greetings, Eckhard
Eckhard Deschler-Erb
University of Zurich
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#11
Is it not possible that they were also used as horse attachment pins and perhaps also as marks for agrimensores? (The latter sounds quite improbable, but who knows...?)
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#12
I often wondered about the passages the Romans used to travel through the Alps on their campaigns north.
Would this be the same route Caesar used on his invasion?
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
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#13
The Septimer is the highest and most difficult of the Alpine passes, but also the shortest (N/S). The rest is guesswork.
Christian K.

No reconstruendum => No reconstruction.

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#14
Well, on that basis, he definately used that route.... 8) just seems fitting.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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#15
What is particular interesting is the evidence for the legions - III, X and XII.
XII is undoubtedly the XII Fulminata.
If legio X Gemina was involved in Cantabrian War of 25-13 BC in Spain it is more probably that legio X Fretensis participated in Alpine War of 15 BC.
More difficult to recognise which one of III legions left its slingshots on the Septimer - III Augusta, III Cyrenaica or III Gallica?
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