Chris, it doesn't seem to work for me. Is there supposed to be an underscore between Thracian and Lanncers in the file name?
Hi, Ruben, yes there are spaces andno there are no underlines- it works for me - but try this:
[url:2migcr62]http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/Thrace%20and%20the%20Thracians.pps[/url]
h'mm, it seems you have to put "%20" instead of a space
[mod]I've tried to emend both links in your first post, removed extra dots etc., but I can't get the top one to work?[/mod]
The presentation was great! But i couldn't watch the videos,I don't know why. First link doesn't work for me either.
Khaire
Giannis
Yeah, the lancers presentation still doesn't work for me.
Sorry, a comma and an extra "n" crept into the filename. This has been fixed, the file is
[url:3o7mg7m5]http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/Thracian%20Lancers.pps[/url]
Quote:The presentation was great! But i couldn't watch the videos,I don't know why. First link doesn't work for me either.
Khaire
Giannis
Hi, I had some trouble getting the videos to work but fixed it by upgrading to Windows Media Player 11. Also, it takes a little time for them to start.
Ok,I saw it now. It's good,too. Although I don't agree that all of the photos you have can be used as evidence for the lance,I do agree that the Thracians used the long spear.
Unfortunately I don't have windows media player 11, i prefer the previous version and I kect it,so I can't see the videos...
Khaire
Giannis
Chris, I have a couple of Thracian questions:
Why do some of the javelins have that Knobby-shaft appearance? I have seen this on spears on some greek vases, but I believe this was to make them seem unfinished.
How many grips on a pelta? I usually see two, but these are greek artists. I have heard of single-grip pelta, but not seen one. Any oval, single grip pelta images?
Quote:Why do some of the javelins have that Knobby-shaft appearance?
....I've seen an article somewhere on these knobby shafted javelins, and similar Thracian (?) 'shilelaghs', but I can't quite recall the details....a fine example of a 'knobby shafted' javelin lies conspicuously in the foreground of the Alexander mosaic......
Chris will hopefully elaborate....
Quote:I've seen an article somewhere on these knobby shafted javelins, and similar Thracian (?) 'shilelaghs'
I'd love to read it if you find it. Those hooked clubs are very interesting- I wonder if they predate the "hooked" swords?
Heracles club is shown knobby usually, which I presume is to give it a rough hewn look. I have seen images of centaurs fighting with knobby spears that are not much more than sharpened trees or branches, sometimes with side-branches still attached.
Hi, you are thinking of "The Alexandrovo Tomb and other Recent Discoveries", Christopher Webber, Slingshot 216, July 2001, pp 47-50 which is also at
http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/tombs.htm (choose the Alexandrovo tomb). There's also a knobly spear in a Pella mosaic. Sorry I will have to update the links to the pictures as the pictures on the web page are not linked properly.
When I was in Bulgaria, I saw a man working on some thin pine logs that looked exactly like these knobbly spear shafts - cleaning off all the knobbly bits was the last step in turning the thin tree trunks into wooden poles. I think the other explanations such as hawthorn etc are more likely.
Quote:Chris, I have a couple of Thracian questions:
How many grips on a pelta? I usually see two, but these are greek artists. I have heard of single-grip pelta, but not seen one. Any oval, single grip pelta images?
The pelte had two grips but was light enough to be held either like an aspis or by the central grip alone. Yes, there are images of both styles. Some might be in the "armour" section of my web page [url:3cuvvc7d]http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/armour.htm[/url] when I get all the links fixed.
I was looking at a Kazanluk image- the only one that showed up. I have seen this image reconstructed with the men holding Gallic-style barley corn bossed shields. The shield to me looks more like an adarga, a bilobed rawhide shield from N. Africa of a much later date. There is a clear indentation at the top and bottom, as well as groove down the face from top to bottom. Perhaps there is a clearer image that shows an elongated gallic boss.
I do not, but would like to know if the adarga pattern arises from some property of constructing the bi-layered rawhide shield that may have been the same back in Thrace or if it is simple style.