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Thracian Lancers presentation uploaded
#1
Hi, I have uploaded a presentation about Thracian lancers to http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/Thraci ... nncers.pps It includes pictures of the lance heads, video, and other newly discovered material, hence the 52 Mb file size.

There's also a general introduction to the Thracians and Thracian warfare at http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/Thrace ... acians.pps

Cheers,
Christopher Webber

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#2
Chris, it doesn't seem to work for me. Is there supposed to be an underscore between Thracian and Lanncers in the file name?
Ruben

He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
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#3
Hi, Ruben, yes there are spaces andno there are no underlines- it works for me - but try this:

[url:2migcr62]http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/Thrace%20and%20the%20Thracians.pps[/url]

h'mm, it seems you have to put "%20" instead of a space
Christopher Webber

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#4
[mod]I've tried to emend both links in your first post, removed extra dots etc., but I can't get the top one to work?[/mod]
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#5
The presentation was great! But i couldn't watch the videos,I don't know why. First link doesn't work for me either.
Khaire
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#6
Yeah, the lancers presentation still doesn't work for me.
Ruben

He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
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#7
Sorry, a comma and an extra "n" crept into the filename. This has been fixed, the file is
[url:3o7mg7m5]http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/Thracian%20Lancers.pps[/url]
Christopher Webber

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#8
Quote:The presentation was great! But i couldn't watch the videos,I don't know why. First link doesn't work for me either.
Khaire
Giannis

Hi, I had some trouble getting the videos to work but fixed it by upgrading to Windows Media Player 11. Also, it takes a little time for them to start.
Christopher Webber

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#9
Ok,I saw it now. It's good,too. Although I don't agree that all of the photos you have can be used as evidence for the lance,I do agree that the Thracians used the long spear.
Unfortunately I don't have windows media player 11, i prefer the previous version and I kect it,so I can't see the videos...
Khaire
Giannis
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#10
Chris, I have a couple of Thracian questions:

Why do some of the javelins have that Knobby-shaft appearance? I have seen this on spears on some greek vases, but I believe this was to make them seem unfinished.

How many grips on a pelta? I usually see two, but these are greek artists. I have heard of single-grip pelta, but not seen one. Any oval, single grip pelta images?
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#11
Quote:Why do some of the javelins have that Knobby-shaft appearance?
....I've seen an article somewhere on these knobby shafted javelins, and similar Thracian (?) 'shilelaghs', but I can't quite recall the details....a fine example of a 'knobby shafted' javelin lies conspicuously in the foreground of the Alexander mosaic......

Chris will hopefully elaborate....
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#12
Quote:I've seen an article somewhere on these knobby shafted javelins, and similar Thracian (?) 'shilelaghs'

I'd love to read it if you find it. Those hooked clubs are very interesting- I wonder if they predate the "hooked" swords?

Heracles club is shown knobby usually, which I presume is to give it a rough hewn look. I have seen images of centaurs fighting with knobby spears that are not much more than sharpened trees or branches, sometimes with side-branches still attached.
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#13
Hi, you are thinking of "The Alexandrovo Tomb and other Recent Discoveries", Christopher Webber, Slingshot 216, July 2001, pp 47-50 which is also at http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/tombs.htm (choose the Alexandrovo tomb). There's also a knobly spear in a Pella mosaic. Sorry I will have to update the links to the pictures as the pictures on the web page are not linked properly.

When I was in Bulgaria, I saw a man working on some thin pine logs that looked exactly like these knobbly spear shafts - cleaning off all the knobbly bits was the last step in turning the thin tree trunks into wooden poles. I think the other explanations such as hawthorn etc are more likely.
Christopher Webber

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Quote:Chris, I have a couple of Thracian questions:

How many grips on a pelta? I usually see two, but these are greek artists. I have heard of single-grip pelta, but not seen one. Any oval, single grip pelta images?

The pelte had two grips but was light enough to be held either like an aspis or by the central grip alone. Yes, there are images of both styles. Some might be in the "armour" section of my web page [url:3cuvvc7d]http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/armour.htm[/url] when I get all the links fixed.
Christopher Webber

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#15
I was looking at a Kazanluk image- the only one that showed up. I have seen this image reconstructed with the men holding Gallic-style barley corn bossed shields. The shield to me looks more like an adarga, a bilobed rawhide shield from N. Africa of a much later date. There is a clear indentation at the top and bottom, as well as groove down the face from top to bottom. Perhaps there is a clearer image that shows an elongated gallic boss.

I do not, but would like to know if the adarga pattern arises from some property of constructing the bi-layered rawhide shield that may have been the same back in Thrace or if it is simple style.
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