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#31
Sure...another thing too Andy, is to use neatsfoot oil on the bone bits so they don't dry out. Should help with the cracking. I oil mine a couple times a year...seems to help a bit.
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#32
Quote:Patrick, when you have a chance, look into Miks book on gladii. You will see that the bone pommel and guard were each made out of several pieces glued together. The guard was not made out of one piece, neither was the pommel.

Hi Jef

Could you please post or pm some pictures?

Thank you very much

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#33
Thanks Matt. I thought they were refering to the actual grip it self! :roll: :lol:

I know our very own Crispus has made a bone hilted gladius, and has used the same technique on the guard, ie sections of bone glued to gether. At least I assume that is what Jef is refering to too!
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#34
Quote:Thanks Matt. I thought they were refering to the actual grip it self! :roll: :lol:

I know our very own Crispus has made a bone hilted gladius, and has used the same technique on the guard, ie sections of bone glued to gether. At least I assume that is what Jef is refering to too!

Indeed, Crispvs bone guard and pommel were made out of several pieces too, like the originals.

The bone parts on my Mainz gladius are made like this too. There are no bones that can easily be used to make these parts out of one piece.

Patrick, I can not scan at the moment, nor take pictures. I will get a new camera soon and then I can take some. Perhaps someone else can show a picture to explain.

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#35
About time for me to speak up then.

Following the examples from Mainz and Dorchester (as well as a number of component pieces from Vindonissa) I made my pommel from three pieces, using part of a cow's femur for the main section with caps made from a cow's shank bone at the top and bottom of the main drum section. I also cut a piece of wood to fit inside the pommel to improve the fit of the pommel over the tang and the adhesion of the caps. Departing from the Dorchester and Mainz examples, I made my guard from a piece of a large cannon bone, placed horizonally, following another example. On both the Mainz and Dorchester pieces the guard was made in the same three parts as the pommel, the only difference being that the guard was wider at the bottom than the top whereas the pommels were more rounded at both ends. Naturally my grip is of one piece of bone, this being from a calf's cannon bone.

Here is the Mainz sword:

[Image: Mainzbonesword.jpg]

Here is the Dorchester handle:

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And here is mine. Note that the guard is copied from a different find:

[Image: Handle2.jpg]

The total number of separate pieces of bone in both the Mainz and Dorchester handles is seven. Including the bone plugs I have inserted into the ends of my guard mine also has seven. Please note that each of the elements of the handles has been made using the largest piece of bone which will fit the purpose. They are not made up from many small slivers glued together as some of the presently available Indian ones are. If you have a mind towards authenticity I would avoid any bone handle made up of small parts joined together. A bone handle should only include the following parts:
- A pommel made up of either a drum shaped piece and two caps; two ball joint pieces joined horizontally at the centre; or a single piece of large (probably cannon) bone laid horizontally.
- A grip made from a single piece of bone, normally a small bovine cannon bone but other bones are known.
- A guard made up of either a drum and two caps or a large piece of bone (probably cannon bone) laid horizonally.

I do not know of any other known arrangements of bone from Roman sword handles.

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#36
Very informative Crispus.

That pointy thing was found in Mainz? Some type of small gladius similar to those used by gladiators?
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#37
It is not a Mainz pattern sword but it comes from Mainz. The place formerly known as Mogontiacum has produced more than one sword, which is the main reason I find the find-site classification system annoying. I always prefer typological approaches which concentrate on form or decorative styles rather than where the first example was found, which can quickly get confusing when several differing examples of the same class of item are found at the same site.

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#38
Ahah - you edited your post before I completed my reply. :wink:

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#39
Sorry I re-read it. Am a bit tired!
That is interesting then.
Sorry to wander off topic, but how many different blade styles have been found at Mainz?
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