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Music of Ancient Rome and Greece
#31
Wow! Bravo Isephus!

I always wonder how it may sound in real life, but really I thought it may sounded more nekro-misterious like a big organ, but I guss the size of the tubes give the obious sound, like a circus halarious stuff..

thanks for post this link.
  
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#32
Try this too:
http://homoecumenicus.com/ioannidis_mus ... greeks.htm

Kind regards
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#33
Do you know this site? http://www.oeaw.ac.at/kal/sh/
It's impossible to know if it is right, but sounds ok...
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#34
Salvete omnes!

Tobias said I had to post here during a lot of discussion about that theme...

it is really tricky and there is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformationen (people are only writing what they raed in other people´s books without knowing, if its rights...same with CDs sadly).

1.) Ok, Dr.SHagels recontructions of the Homers singing are basically right,
I know him personally and raed all the stuff he wrote about it.

2.) NEVER any form of a double-flute existed, they were all pipes!
So you might choose how authetic tsome groups are...their CDs have several other misleadings. Also I must agree its creative and wired and nice to listen to...but do not take it too serious.
Furthermore I find the music boring, sounds all the same and the players are not very creative with tunes and rhythms.
Exept Mr.Marshall, he was a crack of a piper!
And I love Daemonia Nymphe!

3.) The Delphi-Paian sounds like monks because we know that it was sung by the Tecnitoi (Athenian civilists chorus) of 39 men, it owns a straight 5/8 rhytmn and was accompained by kithara and aulos. The tuning is ancient and it doesen´t hit a modern ear, cause ancient tonality was not Dur and Moll rather than well-temperated-tuned...

4.) The Michigan sounds jazzy, cause the ancient tonalities are close to the modern Jazz-scales. Also the Aulos was the father of the hobo, the clarinet, the schalmei and the bagpipe.
Rebuilded Auloi sound sometimes more like bagpipes, sometimes more like a duduk (played in Armenia). We have aroung 80 archaeological founds of Auloi, all pipes, no flutes and if you recreate them you come to very complicate instruments, tricky to play. Sadly most CDs simply are played with modern nothern-african or italian folk-music-instruments.

5.) Beside knowing about 65 musical pieces of antiquity, dating from 3th BC to 5th AD, we have a lot of theoretical lecture about scales, rhythm, tonality, instruments etc.

So if you have some more questions feel free to post, I really like to answer them the best I can ;-) )

Nice forum and poeple I must say after reading a lot of postings here. :wink:

Have a nice day,
Sincerly
Susanna
Susanna

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.musica-romana.de">www.musica-romana.de

A Lyra is basically an instrument to accompaign pyromanic city destruction.
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#35
Salve Susanna! I was wondering if you are Susanna Ruhling with the CD and dance website? We'd be pleased to know more about you; you and I may have exchanged emails a while back.
Richard Campbell
Legio XX - Alexandria, Virginia
RAT member #6?
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#36
Yes, thats me ;-) )

Hi Richard!
:lol:
Susanna

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A Lyra is basically an instrument to accompaign pyromanic city destruction.
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#37
A link, please! Big Grin
Robert Vermaat
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#38
www.musica-romana.de

Ahem...I still have to update the English Version...Gosh...wanna do this during the next weeks, sorry folks.
Beggin 4 a little patience :wink:
Susanna

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.musica-romana.de">www.musica-romana.de

A Lyra is basically an instrument to accompaign pyromanic city destruction.
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#39
Thanks Susanna,

No problem, I read German just as well. Big Grin
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR
FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
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#40
Ik kan het ook in het Nederlands probere...maar dat is niet heel goed. :wink:
Susanna

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.musica-romana.de">www.musica-romana.de

A Lyra is basically an instrument to accompaign pyromanic city destruction.
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#41
Big Grin
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR
FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
(Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
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#42
Do you know anything about the Aquincum organ?
http://www.gallica.co.uk/aquincum/index.htm

Is the reconstruction more or less accurate?
Dan Diffendale
Ph.D. candidate, University of Michigan
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#43
Salve!
It`s just great!
So much new information is here! Thank you all!!! Big Grin

Don`t miss CDs by Ensemble De Organographia:
Music of Ancient Greeks
Music of the Ancient Sumerians, Egyptians and Greeks.
Look here:
www.northpacificmusic.com/Greeks.html
www.northpacificmusic.com/Sumerians.html
Musica Romana is OK, but Ensemble De Organographia - the best performers of Antique music. Their versions most sincere and heartful.
I highly recommend for you these CDs.
Also try CD
"Melpomen" Big Grin
http://www.harmoniamundi.com/others/alb ... bum_id=978

CD "Music in the Age of Pyramids" by Rafael Perez Arroyo and Hathor Ensemble (NAR-0010-01) presents sounds of Egyptian instruments, singing of Egyptian texts and melodies taken from Coptic Christian hymns. Very interesting, meditative record: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 34-5632768 .

And by the way, post by Iosephus is great and interesting, but may be someone had heard more lengthy records of hydraulos?

You could hear sound of hydraulos on Atrium Musicae De Madrid CD, but it is very short pieces.
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#44
Dear Sergey,

I am sorry to say, but "Melpomen" has rarely nothing to do with ancient music, they have so much mistakes in their booklets and research, the same for Hathor Ensemble.
Their music is very good and also good performed, but I followed their speeches on the last meeting of the International Study Group on Musicarchaeology and their researches are not very scientific.
Melpomens musical instruments are far away from authentic, sorry to say.
Their music is good to listen to, cause its interesting and creative.

De Orgonografia are very good researched, also I only know their ancient greek music. And its well performed. Compliments!
I like to listen to it a lot ;-) )

And how can you know Musica Romana, we do not sell any CDs to Russia!?

The reconstructions of hydraulis are also discussible. Depends on which found is reconstructed, fact is for example, we did not found any registers of the organ, which would be necessary when discussing their tonality.

But the link above is a very good reconstruction from a German organ-building-master, I think is the closest one to the ancient ones at the moment ;-) )

Much regards,
Susanna
Susanna

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.musica-romana.de">www.musica-romana.de

A Lyra is basically an instrument to accompaign pyromanic city destruction.
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#45
Big Grin Hello, Susanna! It is pleasure for me to talk with you!
Well, if you had read posts above - the people listen to fantasy music by Synaulia - they think it is authentic. So if they would listen to "Melpomen" - it wouldn`t do them much harm!!!
As a professional you could give us more objective view of this music - I`m only historian and music lover while you are performer and musicologist, and the only source of informaton for me about their instuments etc. - the booklet of CD "Melpomen". "Authetic" of course isn`t right word here - it is restoration, more or less successful, in my review of their CD on Amazon.com I called it "new age world music in the Ancient Greek style" - but it is beautiful and it helps to understand the culture of Antiquity. At least they tried to do their best. So as a listener I could recommend it to other lovers of Antiquity.
As to Musica Romana - the soundclips of your first CD "Mesomedes" were for some time in the last year on Emmuty Records website - so I had heard them (now there`s no information about this CD there and no soundclips; and why they sell new CD by Musica Romana together with CD by Omnia - it`s a mystery - it would only confuse the listeners - they would think that Omnia also authentic). You`ve got website by Musica Romana - so it is no wonder that here in Russia I knew about Musica Romana. That`s why I`m so sure that Musica Romana is OK.
What seemed interesting for me - that in annotation on Emmuty website - Musica Romana stated that CD "Mesomedes" could be used for teaching. I`m using music of Ancient Greece in my lectures on history of culture. It is good to know that some people in other countries think of it the same way as me.
Probably you could give me some brief recommendations - about using of Antique music in educational purposes or share with us your own view of this problem.
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