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How to Not Look Like a Cutout Milite
#46
Quote:I have a Fascia, it wraps about 3 times when I wear it.
How wide is your FV? Do you fold it over? I traded for mine years back, but it's linen and just ends up folding down w/ little support. Something I would like to see more info on.
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#47
it's about 6-8 inches wide, made of wool, and I fasten it tight and loop the extra underneath so it hangs out sort of like some people do with their belts.
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#48
So, you don't fold it over? I forget how wide mine is, but, like I said, it's linen and doesn't have a lot of support. I do like you and tie it off, kind of like a sash. Smile
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#49
I thin traditionally they are wrapped around the body several times and tucked into itself, with the tension holding the tucked end in place. That how I've always seens them worn in the past and on grave stele...
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#50
I have two different FV. Both are linen, and since linen doesn't cling to itself, I use a small fibula to hold the outer end in place. It's a good way to keep leather stain off your tunic, if that's a problem, looks snappy as all getout--and they actually wore them--and gathers up all those blousy belly tucks the tunic gets when you wear a correctly sized tunic. I have a 38" waist, and I suck in the gut, wrap the FV around tightly, 2.5 to 3 times, and it helps reduce the "hamata hump" belly. Next time I sew something in wool, I'll possibly have a long enough scrap to make a woolen one.

However, here in TX, wearing three layers of wool belly sash when it's 95+ degrees is not very sensible, The linen isn't quite so hot, and I don't mind it. One is light blue, the other red. I wear whichever contrasts better with the tunic I'm wearing.
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#51
That's what I was referring to Brandon. I wear it like that, but sometimes I also just let the end get held up by my belt.
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#52
Classic pic of me in soft kit with a ventralis at the Lunt Fort at Coventry. Hope this gives some idea of how it should look.
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#53
In my ignorance, I have neglected the basics and focused on armor and weapons. I have been doing some studies, and its seems that in most provinces, especially during the pax romana, that armor and weapons could be considered relatively unimportant items that could be sorted out later. Therefore, I am starting with the tunic and cligae. From paying close attention on RAT, I believe that I have a pretty good idea about tunics, submuralis, and caligae. However, I do have concerns concerning personal items. Where can I find sturdy, reliable, authentic and non-poisonous patera and eating utensils?
Tyler

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#54
Well don't get any of the ones from India then, I think all of them have lead. Venetian Cat sells some pretty awesome stuff.

Generally check Matt Amt's guide (Google Legio XX Handbook). He has some links, although some don't work anymore.
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#55
For eating utensils, think about getting yourself a bowl, cup, spoon and small utility knife which can be used for cutting food as well as bits of leather and whatnot.
Don't feel you have to spend out on a patera just to eat. Although they were ubiquitous in the Roman world, they seem to have doubled as a cooking and eating utensil but plenty of turned wooden bowls and even more 'cores' resulting from the manufacture of such bowls have survived to show that lathe turned bowls were as, if not more, common as patera for eating. As long as the bowl is made in one piece from a wood which would have been available to the Romans, then it is fine for you to use in re-enactment.

For a cup, you could get a pottery one, but as we have clear evidence of military units with their own pottery styles, it might be safer historically (and cheaper) to get a turned wooden beaker. Like wooden bowls, there is plenty of evidence for these. Just make sure the wood is a type the Romans would have had access to.

For a spoon, avoid getting the metal type you may well have seen in museums and illustrated in books, with a shortish pointed handle and a little 'tooth' projecting over the end of the bowl of the spoon. This type was used for eating shellfish and as far as I know, is normally found on villa sites. The type of spoon you need can easily be made by cutting down a normal wooden spoon (the type in every kitchen today) to about the size of a normal modern dessert spoon, although probably slightly narrower and thinning the edge somewhat. A small spoon made from horn would also be fine.

For a knife, you would be best to go for the type which rarely makes it into picture books but which is found in profusion at most Roman sites. This has a blade the same size or a bit bigger than that of a modern pocket knife. The blade often has a pronounced curve and generally features a short tang which often ends in a 'D' shaped ring. Some good reproductions can be found here:
https://www.armamentaria.com/store/index...20a&page=2

You might also want to get yourself a sponge on a sponge on a stick and a suitable leather bag to put over the sponge to give an impression of hygiene. The public always love the sponge when you produce it.
You could also get a wax tablet and stylus, also popular with the public, and a fire steel. Some dice and reproduction coins would also go well in your kit.

Once you have got all this together, you will probably need something to carry it all in. I would suggest getting yourself a reproduction of one of the Commaccio bags, which, as they were found in association with helmets and a sword, can be legitimately thought of as military.
http://legvi.tripod.com/sitebuilderconte...80h120.jpg

There was a very good thread here on RAT on how t make one of these bags but alas, I cannot find it. Perhaps someone else who is better at RAT searches can come to the rescue.

You will probably also want a water bottle. Don't get one of the popular metal ones - in all likelihood they are really oil flask used when bathing, rather than water canteens. Get a pottery or leather bottle instead.

Well, hopefully that should give you a few ideas. Have fun!

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#56
Ah! Many thanks. Since the wooden spoon seems simple enough, I may try that today. :-)
Tyler

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#57
Could this be the thread you mentioned, Crispvs?

http://www.romanarmytalk.com/20-roman-re...0&start=45
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#58
I can't find the thread either, in fact a few threads have gone missing, including the "Show your Roman Short video" thread.

I plan to update the Legio VI Commachio Bag with a photo essay, I have a bunch of photos for it.
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#59
If I am not mistaken, from pictures that i have seen, I believe that Legio VI has a couple Italic Hebrons floating about. If that is true, coulf you take some photos of that as well? I'd like to get a better look at it. :wink:
Tyler

Undergrad student majoring in Social Studies Education with a specialty in world history.

"conare levissimus videri, hostes enimfortasse instrumentis indigeant"
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#60
Is that VI Ferrata or VI Victrix? They have a Hebron, only one of our guys does 2nd century and he doesn't have one.

http://www.legionsix.org/Equipment/Basic...helmet.htm

However, if Rusty has one come through I'll have him take some pics of it.
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