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First century AD Germanic shoes....Patterns..?
#1
Hi,

I was wondering if there are good pictures of first century Germanic shoes good enough to base a reconstruction on? Or would anyone be kind enough to share one of their patterns with me? Thank You---John budding Germanic reenactor from the wild lands of western Massachusetts
John Dos
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#2
Should be a few usable patterns here:

http://www.kelticos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=928

Most seem to be Celtic or Roman or Romano-Celtic, but may be applicable. I'd start with the ones that are a simple oval cut square across the back, which is probably good from the Stone Age to 18th century Scotland!

http://www.kelticos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1082

Good ones here, including some earlier and some probably later.

Good luck!

Matthew
Matthew Amt (Quintus)
Legio XX, USA
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#3
Matt,

Thanks so much for these links.......I will pick out one of the patterns and start on them soon.,......----john
John Dos
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#4
I also hope to make some shoes based on the patterns found on Kelticos. I looked at the shoes the Chasuari were wearing, and they looked very similar. http://www.chasuari.de/
I've recently aquired a large amount of black leather, and was hoping to make some shoes out of them for my 1st cen. Germanic impression. I was wondering if anyone knows where I could find any evidence that they had the means to dye leather black.
Dan Dalby

Group Leader Project Germani

Germanic Tribes of the 1st. cen. BCE to the 1st cen. CE
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#5
Quote:Hi,

I was wondering if there are good pictures of first century Germanic shoes good enough to base a reconstruction on? Or would anyone be kind enough to share one of their patterns with me? Thank You---John budding Germanic reenactor from the wild lands of western Massachusetts

This photo shows the shoes of a 3rd cent Ad bog body found near Cuxhaven.

[url:11h1fn80]http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Obenaltendorf.jpg&filetimestamp=20070509044833[/url]

This photo is an original from a bog sacrifice in lower saxony:

[url:11h1fn80]http://www.nihk.de/index.php?id=2252[/url]

best
authun
Harry Amphlett
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#6
And a picture of theshoes I commisioned based on the last link Authun posted

http://sales.ana.users.btopenworld.com/IAO.JPG

regards
Ingvar
Ingvar Sigurdson
Dave Huggins
Wulfheodenas
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#7
Very nice.
"Fugit irreparabile tempus" (Irrecoverable time glides away) Virgil

Ron Andrea
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#8
How about those:

[Image: shoes1kl.jpg]

[Image: shoes2kl.jpg]

Have fun ...
Andreas Strassmeir
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#9
By the way, there is no evidence for the Germans dying leather black. They used spruce and oak bark for tanning the hide which gave the leather a reddish brown colour.
Andreas Strassmeir
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#10
Damn. I have some really nice Germanic 'bundschuhe' made from black leather. They were based of patterns on Kelticos.org. They're no where near as fancy as the one's in Andy's picture though. Regarding the patterns cut into the leather: wouldn't that have made the shoe weaker? The shoes from Damendorf look alot simpler, but I can see the threads in the soles failing after some time.
Dan Dalby

Group Leader Project Germani

Germanic Tribes of the 1st. cen. BCE to the 1st cen. CE
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#11
Ingvar, would you happen to know how they managed to make the designs in your shoes, and where I could find out how to make similar designs? I hope to make a very nice pair of Germanic shoes in the future.
Dan Dalby

Group Leader Project Germani

Germanic Tribes of the 1st. cen. BCE to the 1st cen. CE
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#12
Hi Harjaz

The designs are'tooled'in. The easy method for the designs on the shoes is to simply water dampen the leather surface, not too much to make the leather floppy, but damp enough to take up an impression from hand applied force, cut a simple triangular 'punch type' tool, perhaps from wood or file a metal one, apply the patterns and let the leather dry. Use a straight edge and a smooth blunted needle file to make the straight edge impressions and and a round punch for the..you have it round impressions. The leather has to be thick enough to take the impression, try a few practices on a scrap piece of veg tan leather, you'll soon get the hang of hand tooling leather.

hope that helps

Ingvar
Ingvar Sigurdson
Dave Huggins
Wulfheodenas
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#13
It appears that until later periods, black paint and ink could be made from carbon soot, but pure black dye was not available for cloth or leather. Of course, you could bury your shoes in a bog for a few years, and they would turn black, but ----
M. Demetrius Abicio
(David Wills)

Saepe veritas est dura.
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#14
What about ferric acetate (vinegaroon)? Or oak-gall? Was that available to the Germanic tribes in this time period? I can help out with vinegaroon if they used it.
Cheryl Boeckmann
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#15
If the oak galls over there are like the ones over here, you really only get a very dark brown, not pure black. Don't know the first thing about vinegaroon as a chemical.

I don't know if we have the same kind of vinegaroon, come to think of it. Ours are apparently different, too....

http://www.google.com/images?oe=UTF-8&gf...48&bih=561

The great American Southwest. Gotta love it.
M. Demetrius Abicio
(David Wills)

Saepe veritas est dura.
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