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Linothorax vs Quilted linen vs spolas
(03-07-2009, 09:18 AM)Dan Howard Wrote:
Quote:Xenophon of Carduchi bows penetrating first a Spartan Hoplite's shield, then Tube-and-Yoke corselet ( spolas - please don't raise that old chestnut about spolas not being armour....why would Xenophon think it to be  significant that the arrow penetrated it, if it were not some form of armour/protection?)
Probably for the same reason that Gerald of Wales mentioned it when a Welsh arrrow penetrated both mail and undergarment to pin a Norman's leg to his horse. Why can not this garment be the equivalent of the spolas? Mail underpadding was not thick enough to provide any protection in its own right and was never worn as such. A different padded garment was worn as standalone armour. It was considerably thicker and tailored differently. I'm still waiting to see anything to demonstrate that the spolas was intended to be worn as standalone armour.

Do you think that a spolas could have been a decorative covering over quilted linen?
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You quoted a pretty old post. Based on what we know today it seems that Greek armour was more commonly made from leather than linen. I agree that linen armour could have a leather cover (there are plenty of medieval examples) but usually this cover was an integral part of the armour, not a separate garment.
Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen & Sword Books
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(04-27-2016, 11:32 PM)Dan Howard Wrote: You quoted a pretty old post. Based on what we know today it seems that Greek armour was more commonly made from leather than linen. I agree that linen armour could have a leather cover (there are plenty of medieval examples) but usually this cover was an integral part of the armour, not a separate garment.

Do you know anything about Iron Age Gallic armor around 300bc onward? It seems like they should have more in the way of armor than just tunics for most and chainmail for the rich. Not much is really talked about that. Even the Romans had padding. There is a mod for the game Medieval 2 Total War called Europa Barbarorum II, it shows some of the Gallic troops wearing what looks like linothorax or leather armor or some sort of padded armor. The purpose of the mod and its original version were to depict the period of the Roman Republic and early empire.

(04-28-2016, 12:35 AM)Braden Vande Plasse Wrote:
(04-27-2016, 11:32 PM)Dan Howard Wrote: You quoted a pretty old post. Based on what we know today it seems that Greek armour was more commonly made from leather than linen. I agree that linen armour could have a leather cover (there are plenty of medieval examples) but usually this cover was an integral part of the armour, not a separate garment.

Do you know anything about Iron Age Gallic armor around 300bc onward? It seems like they should have more in the way of armor than just tunics for most and chainmail for the rich. Not much is really talked about that. Even the Romans had padding. There is a mod for the game Medieval 2 Total War called Europa Barbarorum II, it shows some of the Gallic troops wearing what looks like linothorax or leather armor or some sort of padded armor. The purpose of the mod and its original version were to depict the period of the Roman Republic and early empire. 

PS: Do you think spears were used over arm or under arm in antiquity? ThegnThrand on YouTube has a whole bunch of videos about it. I didn't mean to copy my last post...I must have accidentally hit reply on my phone
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The main Gallic armour during that period is mail, and it was only worn by the elite. In many cultures body armour was only worn by the elite. The rest made do with a shield and, if they were lucky, a helmet.

There is a huge debate regarding overarm vs underarm. IMO overarm is more likely.
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(04-28-2016, 03:35 AM)Dan Howard Wrote: The main Gallic armour during that period is mail, and it was only worn by the elite. In many cultures body armour was only worn by the elite. The rest made do with a shield and, if they were lucky, a helmet.

There is a huge debate regarding overarm vs underarm. IMO overarm is more likely.

Haven't there been depictions of some Gallic tribes using tube and yolk armor? What sort of padding do you think the Gallic elite under their chain mail? It seems really stupid to not wear any padding, except in the Mediterranean where it could be forgivable.
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The only padding you need under mail is a winter tunic. Some types of mail had integrated padded liners and didn't need any other padding. This doesn't really belong in a a thread about Greek linen armour.
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