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Marathon 2011
#31
I just hope this is going somewhere this time, because this is the 3rd year on this matter, and I'm about to throw in the towel. & will say bye to reenactment forever.

Stefane & Mores should push more on this, since this is their territory; but with Kineas advice.

What holds me is that my wife wants my son to inherit my kit, if not I'm ready to sell it.

Good luck all.

Yes Kineas dont expect too much, it once hurt our late Paul Allen. I was already turned down on Thermopylae even. one contradicting each other, almost making me to waste money on another plane ticket... i guess some one thought I was stupid.

I would hate to think that some wants only to be the men of the show, but then I knew this wasn't the case. I tend to not trust first until i find out the truth :lol:

What can be effective this time? No one gonna see my kit untill i get there :lol: nothing special btw.
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#32
If Marathon had happened in North America, I'd have a local point of contact and a sponsor in two weeks.

Hey, I'm sorry to be the only one talking this way, Anyone care to agree, or do you all think this is as hard as folks are saying? My EU experience is that the EU is MORE interested in cultural stuff than the US. Should this be so hard?

Giannis, when I contacted the greek government her in Canada a few weeks ago, they made it plain that they didn't like the request for an event coming from Canada. That makes sense--no one in Canada is going to take a heritage request from an American seriously, either.

But all you folks have to do is START. I bet there's lots of folks on this thread and on this list who will pitch in if you get us a YES and a date.

Hey, I could be wrong. Big Grin
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#33
Quote:If Marathon had happened in North America, I'd have a local point of contact and a sponsor in two weeks.

Hey, I'm sorry to be the only one talking this way, Anyone care to agree, or do you all think this is as hard as folks are saying? My EU experience is that the EU is MORE interested in cultural stuff than the US. Should this be so hard?

Giannis, when I contacted the greek government her in Canada a few weeks ago, they made it plain that they didn't like the request for an event coming from Canada. That makes sense--no one in Canada is going to take a heritage request from an American seriously, either.

But all you folks have to do is START. I bet there's lots of folks on this thread and on this list who will pitch in if you get us a YES and a date.

Hey, I could be wrong. Big Grin

I would say; that this is something new in Greece Kineas, at leas for hoplites. When hoplitesmores started to be known, to greek authorities & religious, this was a bad taste for them at first & were paranoid. I guess other reenactment from later periods, didn't have problems since it belonged to a secular & christianic belive. at first they thought this was a pagan movement :lol:


But our fellas are better known now, & its starting to make impact on Greece & the world.
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Its always the expatriated that are more entusiastics in celebrating their heritage, since they are far from home...

I'm sure if Greeks from USA,as in NY, make suh event, it will happens for the reason above... Here we have one every year.

Hope this get somewhere, but this depends from the guys at home & their entusiasm & guts!.

PS: You can be of great help, if they not belive in themselves to make such event come true.
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Remarks by Philip on the Athenian Leaders:
Philip said that the Athenians were like the bust of Hermes: all mouth and dick.
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#34
Kineas,let me explain some things for the situation in Greece and why I'm a bit sceptical,or say,overenthusiastic about how this event could be organized in a big scale. I'm not trying,by any meanse,to scare or abandon the idea,I should have been mad :evil: Just to inform what the difficulties are going to be.
I have asked none in Greece that has even heard the word "re-enactor". Nor is there an equivalent synonym in Greek language! They don't grab the meaning. So if you contact any authorites,you'll have to explain that "re-enactors are those who dress like ancients". We all know that it is not that simple,but you shouldn't expect from them to know better. And since,as Gioi mentioned,for years the only people who dressed like ancients,and still do,were the Pagans,who usually speak openly against the current leading religion,it's obvious that there is that prejudice not only by the authorites but the majority of people.
How many groops are there in the world? I think one from the UK,two from AUS,one from Spain and one from Greece.Am I forgetting someone? If the Mores were introducing the idea to the authorities,ensurance by all those groups that they're about to come would be vital I think. How could this be done? And do you think all of them would be able to come as groups? If I go and speak to someone now,I'll be speaking only for myself,about a hypothetical event where "many" individuals would come from abroad.
As for Heritage,no such ifficial events are held for ancient stuff.The only few events concern the Greek revolution in 1821,and those are far different than re-enacting events.
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#35
Hmmm.

those are good points, and worthy of consideration. If you don't mind, I'm going to ask a friend who lives in Greece to poke around for us.

Again, I'm used to the UK and France, where everyone seems to reenact something . It is not the world's largest hobby--did you know that? Mind you, your definition of reenactor has to be fairly broad.

I don't know how many I could get from Canada--but I bet it would be a fair number. And I don't even have an aspis yet. Sigh. I had planned on doing 4th C. stuff--perhaps even cavalry--but if Marathon can be made to happen, obviously that will affect my kit.

Hmm. Who do I know in Greece...
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#36
Quote: Hmm. Who do I know in Greece...

?????
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Remarks by Philip on the Athenian Leaders:
Philip said that the Athenians were like the bust of Hermes: all mouth and dick.
:lol: <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />:lol:
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#37
Organise it for 2011 and i will be there.

I really think that we should hand over any organisational logistics to our Greek friends on the forum, who else will know the best way of going about this than them! First and foremost in this is the approval of the town of Marathon, if you dont get that you have a non starter.

just my two cents worth.
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#38
I have a cousin who works in the MOD in Athens....not sure if that is of much help, or what information you need....I could fire him an e-mail to see what conflicts could arise?
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#39
Try it Byron!.
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Remarks by Philip on the Athenian Leaders:
Philip said that the Athenians were like the bust of Hermes: all mouth and dick.
:lol: <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />:lol:
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#40
I'm not going to be any help organizing it... after all I've never been out of the US. However, if we decide we're definitley going to do this and we get a time and place, I might be able to do a little recruiting.
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#41
Edited: Wasting words & time.
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Remarks by Philip on the Athenian Leaders:
Philip said that the Athenians were like the bust of Hermes: all mouth and dick.
:lol: <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />:lol:
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#42
Okay, I got a couple of very favorable responses from Greece today, one from a Government ministry (Ministry of Culture). However, to be fair, both responses stressed all the same negatives I've heard on this list. Giannis isn't exaggerating!
I'm going to roll ahead until someone on this list asks to take over. That'll suit me well--I will predict right now that without a Greek leader, this probably won't come off. However, the folks I'm talking to were enthusiastic, and that's something.
One of the respondents suggested the immediate enlistment of a media group. Anybody have one to hand? I'm looking for a film company or a documentary maker. I can come up with one in Canada (another reenactor here) but that won't have the same clout as one in the EU.


Anyway, I'll keep this thread informed. Please don't take this note as my declaration that it will happen. I say again--without a POC in Greece, I have huge doubts.

I'm a complete newcomer to this hobby. If I should stop, please tell me now. If not stopped, I will attempt to AT LEAST get the Town of Marathon to consent to such an event and I'll try to find AT LEAST one corporate sponsor. My goal would be to make it possible for any Hoplite (or classical impression) reenactor int he world to fly to Greece for reduced airfare and to live as cheaply as possible.

Anyone want to say no? Seriously--this is the time for a responsible adult to jump in and say--hey! New Guy! Stop!

Finally, both of my respondents wanted the 2011 date. things in Greece take time (hey, things in Canada take time, too). Anyone care to comment on that?
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#43
Back in the day, I belonged to a group that produced coffeehouses and moved up to medium-venue concerts. We did best when we were able to link up with a university organization or a (liberal) church organization. Partnering with someone "bigger" and offering independent study credits for students - or getting the hall for free - really cut the overall cost of money and energy.

Would a big wine/olive oil/cheese exporter want to be a sponsor? Mythos beer? A university film school, electronic journalism department? An archaeology department partnered with a corporate sponsor? The Greek equivalent of PBS or Nova? The front end work is all about networking and who knows who. "Sir, if you aren't able to OK this, do you know who might be able to help us?" Hmmmm. Gonna think on this some more.
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#44
Athena, that's exactly right--good thinking.

Hmm. An Ouzo maker, perhaps?

If only Marathon had been fought on Lesvos, I'd actually know some people.
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#45
You're thinking correct. I wonder why no one from the Mores has replied positively or negatively yet. Seriously,I'm not connected with no one,and don't know anyone,especially in Southern or central Greece. My age doesn't really help me on this,and I insist that if the efford was done or presented by a group,like the Mores,and not by an individual,this would help much. Stefane,Themistokli,Idomeneas,what's your opinion about all this?
Kineas,what did they tell you from Greece? In what of all was I not exaggerating? About the Pagan preconception?Or the lack of knowlege about re-enacting?
Khairete
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