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Cooler lorica hamata?
#16
I have just sent over some of the same linen canvas to Edge. You will see what I mean if you get to see the fabric I used for the scale backing!
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#17
I too have worn both. I find hamata easier and cooler to wear. I normally wear Segmentata and I have to wear what ammounts to an adult version of 'pampers' to absorb the gallons of sweat running down my back and stop it from running down my legs where it might look a little embarrasing :oops:

I do still wonder how a soldier managed to 'have-his-way' with any of the local wences wearing segmentata Confusedhock: apart from the difficulty moving in the stuff just think what would happen if you got something stuck between the plates :lol:
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#18
Martin wrote...

Quote:I normally wear Segmentata and I have to wear what ammounts to an adult version of 'pampers' to absorb the gallons of sweat running down my back and stop it from running down my legs where it might look a little embarrasing

Confusedhock: EEeewwW! I have this awful image in my head now! Confusedhock:

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#19
Hey! you stole that picture off our site :oops: I need the soother to calm me down before an event.
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#20
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote:I too have worn both. I find hamata easier and cooler to wear. I normally wear Segmentata and I have to wear what ammounts to an adult version of 'pampers' to absorb the gallons of sweat running down my back and stop it from running down my legs where it might look a little embarrasing :oops:

I do still wonder how a soldier managed to 'have-his-way' with any of the local wences wearing segmentata Confusedhock: apart from the difficulty moving in the stuff just think what would happen if you got something stuck between the plates :lol:

Very carefully,I would imagine! Confusedhock: :lol:
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#21
Peroni,
Where do you get the heavy linen canvas? I'm interested in experimenting with linen armor. Here in the States art supply houses have fairly heavy canvas. Sail suppliers mostly use other types of cloth these days. The material in some tote bags looks promising, but they're probably cotton canvas and I want real linen.
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#22
Quote:Hey! you stole that picture off our site :oops: I need the soother to calm me down before an event.

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#23
Quote:Peroni,
Where do you get the heavy linen canvas?

At a fabric suppliers in town! £4.40 a metre @ 1.5m wide.
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#24
It's my understanding that felt is now considered by some to have been an apporpriate material for 'underarmor' padding- not modern stuff but the old, long-fiber matted, not rolled under a massive press kind. It's supposed to be quite breathable and yet provides good blunt force protection. Encase that in some not super-tight weave linen canvas so as not to comprimise the breathability, and it sounds good to me.
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#25
Why wear a subarmalis with a segmentata? I get the impression some people want relief from the pressure on their shoulders. I have found that a close fitting segementata does this by transferring pressure onto the rib cage and the pelvic bone.
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#26
Having marched for a couple of days straight in a segmentata I would say that a lot of the weight IS transferred to your hips if your belt is done up tightly, but there is still pressure on the shoulders and chest which becomes more noticable as the day wears on, particularly if you are marching fully kitted up with slung shield, fully equipped carrying pole, entrenching tool and pilum, in addition to the sword baldrick and the strap for a water bottle.

In addition to this, in a combat situation, a heavy blow could bend a plate inwards in a way which could be injurious if no padding was present, while without padding a heavy blow to the shoulder, even with the overlapping shoulder guard plates, could shatter or dislocate a shoulder if the shock was able to pass through metal layers pushed into contact with each other by the force of the blow.

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#27
I would point out one thing that always seems to be overlooked when discussing things like this- someone hitting your armor is the LAST thing that should happen, it's a LAST line of defense. Moving, parrying with weapons, and most definitely the shield all keep you from having to rely on your armor, so I'd say being too concerned with every detail of its performance IF it's ever hit might be a touch 'modern'. We're forced for legal reasons to design the hell out of things and consider every eventuality- do you really think the Romans did? I think it's very doubtful.

With a somewhat bunched-up tunica under ones' lorica there's virtual 'built-in' padding, and the overlapping nature of the plates does a good job of dispursing energy. Most of the weight is borne on the shoulders, so comfort padding is good there so as not to cause injury over time marching, drilling, building, etc.. Or maybe not enve that because remember Roman soldiers were TOUGH. Anything short of a broken rib or clavicle or a dislocated shoulder might have been just a matter of course. And in truth just how much force would be necessary to cause the real significant injuries and would a bit more padding really make a difference?

I think it benefits us to remember that battles were infrequent, soldiers actually being hit devestatingly on their armor even less frequent and for a blow to be debilitating but for a little more padding even more unlikely. I'd say it's far more likely that such a blow would be mortal thus padding would be irrelevant.

It's like thinking of the 'active stability control' and all the other little gadgets cars can come with nowadays- they really only add tiny fractions of a percent to the chance a disasterous accident will be aoided, but in the vast majority of cases they're irrelevant and might as well not have been there at all.

The Romans were very practical- so which makes more sense: that they might have had some padding as soldiers found it desirable but kept to a minimum for reasons of carriage, heat, etc. and as variable as you can ger, or that they had a great deal of standard padding to protect from every possible strike on their body armor 'just in case'?
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