07-23-2007, 03:59 AM
Whew ! A veritable flood of ideas is now emerging ! Better still, we seem to be moving toward something of a consensus, even if discussion is now broadening and digressing with numerous fresh points being added to the discussion. In order to keep discussion less scattered and more ordered, I shall divide what follows into sub-headings. 
Greek warfare and Pushing:
There seems to be a view that we generally accept that Hoplite warfare involved locked shields and pushing, and that therefore since Late Romans were similarly equipped, they could have done the same. Vortigern/Robert seems to accept this for Greek warfare, but not Late Roman. As I indicated in an early post, I don’t believe this for one minute, and I suspect that if Mithras were to produce his ’dozen’ references, they would be open to interpretation , like the two he mentions ( see Sonic’s post, for example). I simply do not believe that a concerted “shoveâ€
Greek warfare and Pushing:
There seems to be a view that we generally accept that Hoplite warfare involved locked shields and pushing, and that therefore since Late Romans were similarly equipped, they could have done the same. Vortigern/Robert seems to accept this for Greek warfare, but not Late Roman. As I indicated in an early post, I don’t believe this for one minute, and I suspect that if Mithras were to produce his ’dozen’ references, they would be open to interpretation , like the two he mentions ( see Sonic’s post, for example). I simply do not believe that a concerted “shoveâ€
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)
"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)
"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
