(Late) (Roman) Formations

[Robert Vermaat]

I will stick to my assertion that Ammianus does describe close order,

I think no-one disputes that.

and that on occasion the combat at Strasbourg against infantry does involving pushing. I think we can all agree to that.

Sorry, if pushing was involved it was accidental, nothing designated.

But an experienced formation 8 men deep can beat a deeper more numerous formation of inexperienced men. The experienced are less able to handle their weapons, or know how to co-ordinate the push. And along with Maurice, I'll sacrifice depth for length of line.

Agreed.

As for Maurice's men been illiterate, I was considering orders been given "to the shield", or "to the spear". I also liken his doubling of files to that of mass conscript armies.

By that time they most probably only spoke Greek, and my guess is that the literal meaning did not matter anyway. However, I see the command itself as no reason for the soldiers being illiterate. The command, according to Philip rance, may already have been in use way back in the Roman period.

I really wish we could try our systems out against each other. I'm hoping for at least 4 files of 6 on August BH at Bridlington. I'll be scanning the North Sea for you both.

Me too.
Keep a good look-out, maybe we'll come. 8)