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It'd be cool to see your take on the Alexander mosaic, but pump it up, Shumate-style.
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That gorget is very interesting!
Do you think the "belt" could be pteruges since they both went around the waist..?
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No pictorial evidence supports bronze belt over armor. Italian warriors wore them with pactorals if we belive grave frescos.
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Is this Etruscan or other Italiotic?
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Yes Gioi,all this is fine,but what significant can a belt have,compared to the rest of the King's armour?Such a leather would be of leather or fabric.Even with metal reenforcements,would a thin belt couch the eye so much as to spend so many lines describing it and its origins?
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I thing that Helicon(Ελικών) was a town.Does that make sence?
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Wow-That is some neat stuff..!
The wall painting seems to prove that a metal belt could be worn over a linen thorax...
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Yes.....but in Southern Italy, rather than Greece or Macedonia.
In Southern Italy, particularly in rural/mountain parts, these metal belts were a symbol of masculinity, and were worn by all warriors, and perhaps all male adults. So much so that they are shown impaled on spear-points as trophies.
In depicting Alexander, it might be better to show something known rather than the wilder speculations.
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Oh yes-I totally agree...
It's better to side with caution than with speculations in doing historical illustrations...
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Here is a ROUGH sketch of Alex's armour. Phrygian helmet, quilted thorax(?), gorget, belt under armour(?).......
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Quote:Officer from Magnesia:
seems to wear a small belt below the sach... its from Turkey, I would like to find the real sculpture.
also I. Head shows 2 Italiotic with wide belts & cuirass but the reference he gives is other from history.
This is from a frieze showing an amazonomachy from the temple of Artemis at Magnesia on the Maeander. He wears an officer's sash which is wrapped around his waist twice and not a separate belt.
Quote:Here is a ROUGH sketch of Alex's armour. Phrygian helmet, quilted thorax(?), gorget, belt under armour(?).......
What evidence did you base the quilted linothorax on?
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Look at page 67 in John Warry's book,"Warfare in the Classical World". Warry states this style of armour was popular during the 4th century BC. Not sure where he gets his evidence...
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