11-18-2007, 06:55 PM
Khairete!
I have read carefully all the thread (it's so huge that my eyes became tired... :lol: ), it's very interesting.
I want to remark a couple of philological remarks, sorry if something is repeated in other threads;
"linothorax" is used by Homer in only two passages, in fact he uses the Ionic-epic form "linothorex", and does not mean "linen cuirass", but "a person who wears a linen cuirass" This word is a tipical compound, a kind of compounds of indoeuropean origin, yet in residual use in Homer (for example Sanskrit is very rich in this) but that disappear in archaic-classical greek.
The two passages are:
-Il. II.529: "oligos men een linothorex" "he (Ayax Oileos) was small, (armoured) with a linen cuirass (or, "linencuirassed")"
Il.II, 830: "Adrestos te kai Amfios linothorex" "Adrestus and Anfios, the linencuirassed"
In the second example, it is a tipical final verse homeric epitet. This "linothorex" is clearly in contrast with homeric "khalkeothorex"("with brasen breastplate"). Ayax Oileos is depicted as small (in contrast with the big Ayax) and swift, and the election of the epitet "linothorex" is not casual.
So, in classical greek the homeric compound "linothorax" is used no more, because compounds are archaic and strange to name an actual and contemporaneous item (asiar or greek). So we found the two words separately in Herodotus, Xenophon, etc, as has been said in the thread.
About Alcaeus, the fragment is V.140 "...thorrakes te neo lino", some philologist think that the context of this weapons is an Ares temple spoils (it is not clera because first lines are missed).
A word abour "spolas"; it is a doric form from "stolas" (from root stello), related to the most common "stole" meaning simply "dress, garment of any kind" But in Attic (Xenophon's dialect) the two words live together, "stolas" and the doric adopted form "spolas", and it is possible that this means that the doric form was in fact an specialized word for something (taken from a place with doric dialect) and the attic "stolas" is more generic for "robe, cloak". A study of all the atestiguations in all autors and contexs can help.
regards
I have read carefully all the thread (it's so huge that my eyes became tired... :lol: ), it's very interesting.
I want to remark a couple of philological remarks, sorry if something is repeated in other threads;
"linothorax" is used by Homer in only two passages, in fact he uses the Ionic-epic form "linothorex", and does not mean "linen cuirass", but "a person who wears a linen cuirass" This word is a tipical compound, a kind of compounds of indoeuropean origin, yet in residual use in Homer (for example Sanskrit is very rich in this) but that disappear in archaic-classical greek.
The two passages are:
-Il. II.529: "oligos men een linothorex" "he (Ayax Oileos) was small, (armoured) with a linen cuirass (or, "linencuirassed")"
Il.II, 830: "Adrestos te kai Amfios linothorex" "Adrestus and Anfios, the linencuirassed"
In the second example, it is a tipical final verse homeric epitet. This "linothorex" is clearly in contrast with homeric "khalkeothorex"("with brasen breastplate"). Ayax Oileos is depicted as small (in contrast with the big Ayax) and swift, and the election of the epitet "linothorex" is not casual.
So, in classical greek the homeric compound "linothorax" is used no more, because compounds are archaic and strange to name an actual and contemporaneous item (asiar or greek). So we found the two words separately in Herodotus, Xenophon, etc, as has been said in the thread.
About Alcaeus, the fragment is V.140 "...thorrakes te neo lino", some philologist think that the context of this weapons is an Ares temple spoils (it is not clera because first lines are missed).
A word abour "spolas"; it is a doric form from "stolas" (from root stello), related to the most common "stole" meaning simply "dress, garment of any kind" But in Attic (Xenophon's dialect) the two words live together, "stolas" and the doric adopted form "spolas", and it is possible that this means that the doric form was in fact an specialized word for something (taken from a place with doric dialect) and the attic "stolas" is more generic for "robe, cloak". A study of all the atestiguations in all autors and contexs can help.
regards
"paraita karam hamiçiyam haya mana naiy gaubataiy avam jata"
"Go forth and crush that rebellious army, wich does not call itself mine!" King Darius at Behistun
Vishtaspa/Inyigo
"Go forth and crush that rebellious army, wich does not call itself mine!" King Darius at Behistun
Vishtaspa/Inyigo
